Priest using wrong altar cloths and vestment colors

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Well, just what exactly does scripture TEACH concerning vestments?
 
Ravyn_Guiliani said:
I thought there was some allowance for blue at advent somewhere in the US…something about it being marian in nature. I thought the vestments on 3 Sunday of advent could be rose too…am I wrong?🤷
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Wrong about the Blue ( no allowance for it’s use), but you are correct about the Rose colored vestments. They are permitted in the US on the 3rd Sunday of Advent ( Gaudete Sunday) and the 4th Sunday of Lent (Laetare Sunday)
 
Yes, there is no allowance for blue at all, though some are trying to advocate its use, and perhaps they have some valid points, but since the Church has not approved it, it is not sanctioned and is not something we can decide on our own.
 
Well, where does blue come from? In some dioceses of
Spain, Mexico and South America, blue may be used on
the solemnity of the Immaculate Conception. As well as
some various other rites, such as the Mozarabic rite, use
blue as a liturgical color for the feast of the Blessed
Virgin. Various Protestant ecclesiastical communities use
blue as an optional color for Advent. However, no such
distinction is found in the Roman rite.
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addominum.blogspot.com/2007/11/christmas-traditions-part-3.html

Plus, have you seen what the Holy Father has been wearing recently?

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That looks blue to me!
 
gat6325 said:
Hi All,

We’re in the season of Advent. Altar cloths and vestments are supposed to be purple, right?

For the second year in a row, our pastor is using blue cloths and vestments. I don’t mean, “blue–almost purple”–I mean really blue–not even close to purple.

A number of people (including myself) are concerned. Some have approached the pastor who has dismissed the concern.

I realize that altar cloths and vestments are expensive (I understand somewhere around $3,000), but shouldn’t the church be using the correct colors? One of the beautiful things about our Catholic religion is that you can walk into a church anywhere in the world right now, and see the same color altar cloths and vestments, hear the same readings, etc.

Are we nitpicking here? Should we forget about it? How serious is this error? These things (however small) are the kinds of things that confuse the flock. There’s enough confusion out there already.

Thoughts?
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For Advent, priests can wear either purple OR blue.
 
peary said:
For Advent, priests can wear either purple OR blue.
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That is incorrect. In the United States, in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, violet and rose (optional for the third Sunday) are the only authorized colors for Advent.

As for the OP’s concern, I think it is warranted. The priest is being deliberately disobedient to the norms established by the Church. If he is unresponsive to parishioners, then perhaps a letter to the Bishop is in order.
 
Well, the colors are really purple for Lent and violet for Advent. Maybe the pastor is thinking ‘violets are blue’…:rolleyes:
 
ClaireS said:
Well, the colors are really purple for Lent and violet for Advent. Maybe the pastor is thinking ‘violets are blue’…:rolleyes:
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🙂 Cute. But the GIRM doesn’t make a distinction between the color for Lent and the color for Advent – it says ‘violet’ for both.

Does Latin makes the distinction between purple & violet? My first language is French and when I use the word ‘violet’ in French I mean purple.

Now, some people advocate the use of a bluer shade of violet for Advent & a reddish shade of violet for Lent. I don’t think I’ve ever been in a parish that had two separate colors of linens for Advent & Lent.
 
Arnobius said:
Based on one picture? I think he lacks credibility then.
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I’m certain Pious Mat was basing his statement on more than this picture. But just minutes after reading what he wrote, I came across a picture posted by someone else in an entirely different thread showing Benedict breaking a rule on clerical garb. It’s possible that this is the only time Benedict has ever violated any of the norms. But it is more likely that it’s another in a series that Pious Mat has observed.
 
Digitonomy said:
I’m certain Pious Mat was basing his statement on more than this picture. But just minutes after reading what he wrote, I came across a picture posted by someone else in an entirely different thread showing Benedict breaking a rule on clerical garb. It’s possible that this is the only time Benedict has ever violated any of the norms. But it is more likely that it’s another in a series that Pious Mat has observed.
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That pic of the Pope was taken earlier this year when he went to Austria. It was taken at the Marian shrine in Austria.
It was not taken during Advent!
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
That pic of the Pope was taken earlier this year when he went to Austria. It was taken at the Marian shrine in Austria.
It was not taken during Advent!
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Yes. I don’t think Volodymyr 988 was claiming it was taken during Advent, merely that it was taken during an occasion for which blue is not an approved color.
 
Digitonomy said:
Yes. I don’t think Volodymyr 988 was claiming it was taken during Advent, merely that it was taken during an occasion for which blue is not an approved color.
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Are you sure that blue is not an approved color in Austria at a Marian shrine???
 
Digitonomy said:
I’m certain Pious Mat was basing his statement on more than this picture. But just minutes after reading what he wrote, I came across a picture posted by someone else in an entirely different thread showing Benedict breaking a rule on clerical garb. It’s possible that this is the only time Benedict has ever violated any of the norms. But it is more likely that it’s another in a series that Pious Mat has observed.
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The Papal Master of Ceremonies typically arranges the details of liturgies involving the Holy Father. Is it possible/likely that these instances of questionable compliance will cease now that a new MC has been assigned? The link below has details.

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=53856
 
tcraig said:
That is incorrect. In the United States, in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, violet and rose (optional for the third Sunday) are the only authorized colors for Advent.

As for the OP’s concern, I think it is warranted. The priest is being deliberately disobedient to the norms established by the Church. If he is unresponsive to parishioners, then perhaps a letter to the Bishop is in order.
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You are correct. It is violet. Blue is not an approved color for the Catholic Church during the time of Advent, although it is approved for Anglican/Episcopal/Methodist churches and some other protestant groups.
 
gat6325 said:
Hi All,

We’re in the season of Advent. Altar cloths and vestments are supposed to be purple, right?

For the second year in a row, our pastor is using blue cloths and vestments. I don’t mean, “blue–almost purple”–I mean really blue–not even close to purple.

A number of people (including myself) are concerned. Some have approached the pastor who has dismissed the concern.

I realize that altar cloths and vestments are expensive (I understand somewhere around $3,000), but shouldn’t the church be using the correct colors? One of the beautiful things about our Catholic religion is that you can walk into a church anywhere in the world right now, and see the same color altar cloths and vestments, hear the same readings, etc.

Are we nitpicking here? Should we forget about it? How serious is this error? These things (however small) are the kinds of things that confuse the flock. There’s enough confusion out there already.

Thoughts?
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Yes-- blue vestments are a stolen quasi-liturgical invention. They were taken from the Episcopal Church after it’s liturgical/prayerbook revision in the 70’s. At this time, blue was made a colour for Advent in some Episcopal churches, along with a dark red (ox’s blood) for Pentacost season. Some Catholic Churches, sadly, copied this liturgical outrage. :nope:

But what’s really sad, is, the priest at my parish celebrates Advent in white vestments! :nope:
 
Metaron said:
some Episcopal churches, along with a dark red (ox’s blood) for Pentacost season. Some Catholic Churches, sadly, copied this liturgical outrage.
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Why is the Episcopal church’s choice of oxblood for Pentecost an outrage? It may not be particularly traditional for our Latin Church, but it seems to me an OK liturgical color if the Episcopalians want to choose it for themselves. Now if they had chosen hot pink and fluorescent orange zebra stripes, that could fairly be called a liturgical outrage.:hypno:
 
Digitonomy said:
Why is the Episcopal church’s choice of oxblood for Pentecost an outrage? It may not be particularly traditional for our Latin Church, but it seems to me an OK liturgical color if the Episcopalians want to choose it for themselves. Now if they had chosen hot pink and fluorescent orange zebra stripes, that could fairly be called a liturgical outrage.:hypno:
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It’s all fine for the Episcopalians to do as they will… but do you really want our Holy Catholic Church to copy them…? They’re the ones with false priestesses, false bishopesses, gay priests, gay bishops, etc… and forcing the rapid fragmentation of the Anglican Communion, which is still conservative, outside Canada, America, and England. Let’s stick to our own traditions and colours, and not copy the Episcopal Church’s ones.
 
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