I’ve always wondered, as a hypothetical question - if Hitler was running today’s US as a “pro-life” (meaning against abortion but endorsing genocide) candidate for the GOP and was running against a Nancy Pelosi (for abortion but against genocide), who would the church say was the lesser of two intrinsic evils?
Honestly, JPII spoke out against BOTH socialism AND unbridled capitalism, saying that both objectify people - socialism makes people objects of the State, and unbridled capitalism makes people objects to attain the Dollar, and any economic system that makes people objects is wrong. There is nothing wrong with making money, but the system must have incentives for people to share their own money with those who need it, instead of incentivizing an increasingly smaller group to have an increasingly larger percentage of wealth. Actually, unbridled capitalism can actually cause socialistic ideology by the people hurt by unbridled capitalism wanting the State to force the small amount of wealthy people to share their money.
Pelosi causes scandal as a public figure who claims to be Catholic. Her public endorsement of abortion casts a shadow on the Church and creates confusion and dissent, which is dangerous in a spiritual sense. In asking her to renounce, they are attempting to limit the damage she causes as a public figure who claims to be Catholic and then proceeds to step on the Church’s toes. Furthermore, it is simply tossing out ad homs to invalidate a priests’s stance simply because he is a man. What happened to that everybody is entitled to their opinion statement. Does it not apply here? Lastly, the fact that you separate what the Church says and what God says is troubling. It gives the implication that the Church is not the voice of God, and if it is not, then it is nothing.
Please learn your faith. The Catholic Church (both the Vatican and the US Bishops) vigorously oppose “marrying anyone you wish” (aka, same-sex faux “marriage”), and have produced documents stating the same. It’s not just the “acts” which they oppose as morally reprehensible. All of Catholic moral doctrine regarding marriage, the family, sexuality, and reproduction is of one piece, and is directed toward all of society, of course, not just practicing Catholics.
Technically one cannot be “pro-life” and pro-genocide, so I don’t think he’d get very far in the primaries.
But you don’t even need to go to these extremes. I didn’t vote for either Romney or Obama because I felt both of them supported intrinsic evils and that neither one was any “better” than the other. I voted third party, because it was the only way I could vote without violating my conscience.Socialism and unbridled capitalism are not the only two forms of government, and as a Catholic, I support neither.
Amen. I find it ridiculous how many Catholics don’t realize that these people (Pelosi, et al) actually excommunicate themselves. No one can remove you from full communion with Holy Mother Church but yourself. I do NOT understand the appalling number of Catholics, on this forum, who are quick to criticize or condemn priests and/or bishops who state the obvious to these public renouncers of our faith.
Supporting any grave evil is a cause for scandal, and if and when we do know what our Church requires us to advocate for and against, yet we advocate the opposite, we are taught by the Church that Our Lord will judge us accordingly, in contradistinction to those ignorant of the Faith. Scandal is a itself very grave.
Alrighty, then.
If that is true, then Rick Santorum and Bobby Jindal should be excommunicated, as they support the death penalty and many other things that the RCC is strictly against. Do not just go after the “liberals.”
Lets look at this the other way around.
Okay, sure.
Now I have reason to do so.
You really don’t grasp the difference between something which might be evil, depending upon the circumstances, and that which is intrinsically evil? (Intrinsically evil being NEVER okay, never ever, under any circumstances, whatsoever, period.) Fortunately for you (and all of us), the Catholic Church is very clear in defining what is intrinsically evil…and same sex marriage is thus defined. The catechism of the Catholic Church is your friend.
I disagree with none of the RCC’s teachings, I just disagree on how harsh they are to the democratic belief system.
That would be why I read it day and night. I, in fact, do know my faith.