Priests Demand Pelosi Renounce Catholicism After Abortion is "Sacred Ground" Comment

[markomalley]

May I just say that I am a democratic-socialist, yet I follow all the church’s teachings. Your political generalizations are incorrect, as are most Catholics’. Obama, to me, is the best president for our time. Don’t expect in this day and age that a decent, honest, and faithful politican will come along.

…no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.

Pope John XXII, Mater et Magistra, 34
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…As for socialism, my friend, you a greatly misunderstood. I believe in the distrubution of wealth, which essentially is socialism.

Forcible redistribution of wealth in order to achieve “equality” is just plain evil.(17) It must be first of all recognized that the condition of things inherent in human affairs must be borne with, for it is impossible to reduce civil society to one dead level. Socialists may in that intent do their utmost, but all striving against nature is in vain. There naturally exist among mankind manifold differences of the most important kind; people differ in capacity, skill, health, strength; and unequal fortune is a necessary result of unequal condition. Such inequality is far from being disadvantageous either to individuals or to the community.

(38) First of all, there is the duty of safeguarding private property by legal enactment and protection. Most of all it is essential, where the passion of greed is so strong, to keep the populace within the line of duty; for, if all may justly strive to better their condition, neither justice nor the common good allows any individual to seize upon that which belongs to another, or, under the futile and shallow pretext of equality, to lay violent hands on other people’s possessions. Most true it is that by far the larger part of the workers prefer to better themselves by honest labor rather than by doing any wrong to others.

Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum
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The key is not money. The key is what one DOES with money. Men are called to share their wealth…of their own free will.

How can you accept the gap that has divided America due to the greedy outcome of merciless monopolies and trusts?

I agree that monopolies are bad. For example, when telecom was a monopoly, service was lousy and rates were overly high. You can see the same with electric utilities. The cartel OPEC (a “trust”) is guilty of artificially manipulating the petroleum market to artificially maintain high prices.

The worst form of monopoly, though, is government control…because the monopoly can be maintained through the force of law and enforced with the power of the military and the police.

I really am neither socialist or capitalist… I’m mostly a liberal with a few conservative viewpoints.

Perhaps you can outline a few of the conservative viewpoints…I have yet to see any. Thanks.

 

[john78]

May I just say that I am a democratic-socialist, yet I follow all the church’s teachings. Your political generalizations are incorrect, as are most Catholics’. Obama, to me, is the best president for our time. Don’t expect in this day and age that a decent, honest, and faithful politican will come along.

birds of a feather flock together, communists / an socialists will always love their king Obama.

 

[fix]

I understand your point, but as I said, I will stand by my opinions. I also do not think supporting same-sex marriage will send me to hell. Purgatory, maybe. And yes, I do know my faith very well, thank you.

If you know your faith then you no support for homosexual unions is contrary to the moral law. Gravely contrary.

 

[curlycool89]

This is quite unbelievable, what these priests are doing. Such men have no right nor reason whatsoever to demand of anyone that they renounce the Catholic faith, and may God have mercy on their souls. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I think these “priests” are making a “mortal” mistake. It is time for someone, man or woman, to inform the clergymen of the Catholic Church that they do not decide everything nor do they know everything.

All the priest is really doing is calling Pelosi out for her complete lack of integrity.

It’s really not that hard. If you say you are Catholic then be Catholic. Like any group or club (even though it’s so much more then that), there is a minimum standard expected to be a member. You need to share the same values and worldview to be a member.

Think of it this way. Would someone who is anti-cars join AAA? Or are Greens about to become lobbyists for an oils company? Or is a Red Socks fan going to join the Yankees fan club? Of course not, these people would be violating their very beliefs.

In the same way, if Nancy Pelosi has certain beliefs that clash with the Catholic Church, then why does she even want to belong to it? If she really believes this stupidity about the “sacredness of abortion”, then she should man up and stop pretending to be associated with a group that is diametrically opposed to this view.

In Revelation 3:15, God says “You are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot!” Similarly in Joshua, the people are asked “Are you going to follow the Lord or the other gods”. There is no both/and option here. Either you pledge yourself as a follower of God and amend your life to the will of God as taught by His Church, or you be honest with yourself and you say you are not following God.

It’s about integrity. For Pelosi to say “I am Catholic” and “abortion is sacred” is logically equivalent to saying “That wall is white and not white at the same time”. It’s an inherent logically contradiction.

 

[DoGodsBidding]

Why do you focus on the social issues and not the economic issues? While I disagree with the pro-choice stance, I do respect it as with the same-sex marriage stance. Supporting same-sex marriage will not send me to hell, especially if I live a holy life. Obama has repaired our economy in the best way since Bill Clinton. He is responsible, reasonably honest, and he performs well under certain pressure.

As for socialism, my friend, you a greatly misunderstood. I believe in the distrubution of wealth, which essentially is socialism. How can you accept the gap that has divided America due to the greedy outcome of merciless monopolies and trusts?

Is that you Nancy?

 

[ShanaA1984]

Well its about time

 

[livingwordunity]

It’s a scandal they have not excommunicated this woman yet if, that is, she is as pro-abortion as they say she is and all the while still publicly pretending to be a Catholic.

They can only formally pronounce excommunication on ordained clergy. But that doesn’t mean that she can’t be excommunicated latae sententiae (automatic). If it were not for this technicality I’m sure she would have been formally excommunicated by now. I hope she repents.

 

[Nimzovik]

May I just say that I am a democratic-socialist, yet I follow all the church’s teachings. Your political generalizations are incorrect, as are most Catholics’. Obama, to me, is the best president for our time. Don’t expect in this day and age that a decent, honest, and faithful politican will come along.

Oh yes? Really? You are* serious…* - right? The most Pro abort president ever? The anti - Catholic hospitals via the HHS mandate President? The promoter of the Gay activist agenda president? Really?

 

[quiet52]

Here is the letter itself.

Open Letter to Nancy Pelosi

Tuesday, June 18, 2013

Dear Mrs. Pelosi,

Last Thursday, June 13, you were asked a question in a press briefing that you declined to answer. The question was, “What is the moral difference between what Dr. Gosnell did to a baby born alive at 23 weeks and aborting her moments before birth?”

Given the fact that the Gosnell case has been national news for months now, and that Congress, where you serve as House Democratic Leader, was about to have a vote on banning abortion after 20 weeks fetal age, this was a legitimate question.

Instead of even attempting to answer the question, you resorted to judgmental ad hominem attacks on the reporter who asked it, saying, “You obviously have an agenda. You’re not interested in having an answer.”

Mrs. Pelosi, the problem is that you’re not interested in giving an answer.

Your refusal to answer this question is consistent with your failure to provide an answer to a similar question from me and the members of my Priests for Life staff. Several years ago, we visited your office with the diagrams of dismemberment abortion at 23 weeks, and asked the simple question, “When you say the word ‘abortion,’ is this what you mean?” In response, nothing but silence has emanated from your office.

In what way is this refusal to address an issue of such national importance consistent with the leadership role you are supposed to be exercising? Public servants are supposed to be able to tell the difference between serving the public and killing the public. Apparently, you can’t. Otherwise, you would have been able to explain the difference between a legal medical procedure that kills a baby inside the womb and an act of murder – for which Dr. Gosnell is now serving life sentences – for killing the same baby outside the womb.

Moreover, you stated at the press briefing on June 13, “As a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground to me when we talk about this. I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics.”

With this statement, you make a mockery of the Catholic faith and of the tens of millions of Americans who consider themselves “practicing and respectful Catholics” and who find the killing of children – whether inside or outside the womb – reprehensible.

You speak here of Catholic faith as if it is supposed to hide us from reality instead of lead us to face reality, as if it is supposed to confuse basic moral truths instead of clarify them, and as if it is supposed to help us escape the hard moral questions of life rather than help us confront them.

Whatever Catholic faith you claim to respect and practice, it is not the faith that the Catholic Church teaches. And I speak for countless Catholics when I say that it’s time for you to stop speaking as if it were.

Abortion is not sacred ground; it is sacrilegious ground. To imagine God giving the slightest approval to an act that dismembers a child he created is offensive to both faith and reason.

And to say that a question about the difference between a legal medical procedure and murder should not “have anything to do with politics” reveals a profound failure to understand your own political responsibilities, which start with the duty to secure the God-given right to life of every citizen.

Mrs. Pelosi, for decades you have gotten away with betraying and misrepresenting the Catholic faith as well as the responsibilities of public office. We have had enough of it. Either exercise your duties as a public servant and a Catholic, or have the honesty to formally renounce them.

Sincerely,

Fr. Frank Pavone
National Director, Priests for Life

priestsforlife.org/pelosi/

 

[Mark121359]

Originally Posted by Escopiliatese View Post
Why do you focus on the social issues and not the economic issues? While I disagree with the pro-choice stance, I do respect it as with the same-sex marriage stance. Supporting same-sex marriage will not send me to hell, especially if I live a holy life. Obama has repaired our economy in the best way since Bill Clinton. He is responsible, reasonably honest, and he performs well under certain pressure.

As for socialism, my friend, you a greatly misunderstood. I believe in the distrubution of wealth, which essentially is socialism. How can you accept the gap that has divided America due to the greedy outcome of merciless monopolies and trusts?

Is that you Nancy?

That’s too good!..I better be quiet though, she used to be from Baltimore and she might sic our liberal governor on me!

Peace, Mark

 

[quiet52]

Here is the Fox interview with Father Pavone - it’s brief:

lifenews.com/2013/06/24/priest-challenges-pelosi-condemn-abortion-or-quit-the-catholic-church/

 

[Lost_Sheep]

Priests Demand Pelosi Renounce Catholicism After Abortion is “Sacred Ground” Comment

lifenews.com/2013/06/20/priests-demand-pelosi-renounce-catholicism-after-abortion-is-sacred-ground-comment/

Why can’t the Church just excommunicate her?

 

[quiet52]

Why can’t the Church just excommunicate her?

Ms. Pelosi has incurred excommunication on herself. I don’t know if bishops have discussed that specifically with her, and I don’t know how often they publicly declare that a person is out of communion with the Church.

I can’t remember if this has been discussed on this thread, but it has been on another:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=798955
see posts 15, 28, 60+

 

[Lost_Sheep]

Ms. Pelosi has incurred excommunication on herself.

Yes, I know. But the Church needs to come out with a formal declaration and make it public.