Priests' opposing views on Latin Mass

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JimR-OCDS said:
It tends to be a trait of fundamentalist to stop short on the words people speak and not pay attention to details. Read all of what this priest said, well all that was posted by the blog which obviously has its own agenda.

I don’t necessarily agree with this, but its something to consider.

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I DID read all of it. The claim that the use of Latin by the Church led to Nazism is one of the most absurd things I’ve ever heard in my life. And no, it is not “something to consider” because there is absolutely no truth in it.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
It tends to be a trait of fundamentalist to stop short on the words people speak and not pay attention to details. Read all of what this priest said, well all that was posted by the blog which obviously has its own agenda.

I don’t necessarily agree with this, but its something to consider.

Jim
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:whacky: Wacky reasoning.
 
People often remark that they like the idea that they can go to church anywhere and every Mass is the same Mass. But that’s not really true. I live in California. When I go to Mass, the Mass is in English, although there’s regularly a Vietnamese Mass available at my parish also. If I went to Mass in Mexico City, the mass would would in Spanish. If I went in Paris, it would be in French. If I went in Berlin, it would be in German.

But if everyone had a Latin Mass, then yes, it really would be all the same. Everyone would have exactly the same mass.

In an international world, that’s actually not such a bad idea.
 
MelanieAnne said:
People often remark that they like the idea that they can go to church anywhere and every Mass is the same Mass. But that’s not really true. I live in California. When I go to Mass, the Mass is in English, although there’s regularly a Vietnamese Mass available at my parish also. If I went to Mass in Mexico City, the mass would would in Spanish. If I went in Paris, it would be in French. If I went in Berlin, it would be in German.

But if everyone had a Latin Mass, then yes, it really would be all the same. Everyone would have exactly the same mass.

In an international world, that’s actually not such a bad idea.
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Well, maybe. When I was an exchange student in Germany in the early '60’s my friends there got a big laugh out of the way I pronounced Latin. Some words they had me pronounce repeatedly and they laughed each time.

I have never heard a homily in Latin, even back in the “good old days.” There is always a lot of vernacular splashed around.

I don’t know what the excitement is. The Latin used in the Mass is not that hard and not that extensive. So what if the Priest says “Dominus vobiscum,” “in nomine Patri. . .”, “Ite missa est.” etc. We learn and use foreign words and phrases all the time - the TDM just has a few more. Pull out that old Maryknoll Missal! It is all there.
 
OriginalJS said:
Well, maybe. When I was an exchange student in Germany in the early '60’s my friends there got a big laugh out of the way I pronounced Latin. Some words they had me pronounce repeatedly and they laughed each time.

I have never heard a homily in Latin, even back in the “good old days.” There is always a lot of vernacular splashed around.

I don’t know what the excitement is. The Latin used in the Mass is not that hard and not that extensive. So what if the Priest says “Dominus vobiscum,” “in nomine Patri. . .”, “Ite missa est.” etc. We learn and use foreign words and phrases all the time - the TDM just has a few more. Pull out that old Maryknoll Missal! It is all there.
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Oh well of course, there’s the homily in the language of wherever you happen to be, so sometimes we just have to make do in the place that we are. Lucky for us if we pronounce Latin badly it’s no big deal because we aren’t saying most of the mass, we’ve only got a response here & there, and there’s always quiet responses & mumbling to the rescue! 🙂

But I’d rather worry about my Latin pronunciation than about Nazis! 😃
 
It is undeniable that this priest’s comments are outrageous. Those who try to defend them by saying his critics don’t read them in their entirety ignore and thereby defend his observation that the use of Latin in worship allowed rise of Nazism. What is sadly true is that this priest is not alone. Many priests make ridiculous statements regularly in these times. This happens not only over the debate on liturgy, but in a variety of situations. A priest or many priests might defend and justify behaviors the Church has consistently condemned as sinful. A local parish pastor has stated publicly that He does not believe in a number of Catholic dogmas. His bishop is aware of this. Another refuses absolution to men who confess homosexual sin, telling them that their behavior is not sinful and they do not need to confess it. We recently saw in the news what goes on in San Francisco. The list is endless. We can allow ourselves to become outraged every time something of this sort is exposed, but there should be a general awareness that something has gone wrong allowing a great deal of disorder into the entire Church, effecting the clergy, hierarchy and laity alike. The lawsuits and their gigantic settlements over homosexual predator priest scandals are simply evidence of the depth of disorder. There is a fundamental disorder afflicting the Church. It is not being remedied. There are attempts to rebuild confidence and respect in leadership. That is not a remedy. There are new guidelines to deal with problem priests. They are not a remedy. This is like putting exterior salve on skin to solve a systemic illness. It is like picking out wallpaper for the den when the livingroom is on fire. The problems are spiritual in nature and require a spiritual solution. New administrative procedures will not solve them. After years of study and reflection the pope lifts the suppression on an ancient form of worship and a priest not only says the pope made a mistake, but that the form of worship allowed the rise of Naziism. Is he isolated in his extremist rebellious viewpoint? He has quite a few defenders. The Church is divided, polarized. And Jesus says, “A house divided against itself, surely will fall”. Et unum sint.
 
grandfather said:
Many priests make ridiculous statements regularly in these times. .
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However, in catechism class, they told us that priests were a lot smarter and better educated than we were, because they had to undergo an extensive education and training in order to be admitted to the priesthood.
 
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