Prince Harry and Meghan

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FrDavid96 said:
Still, no.

Even if the C of E were a Church in the proper sense, with Apostolic Succession and valid Sacraments, no Church can decide for itself what constitutes a valid Sacrament.

Not even the Successor of Peter can decide for himself what constitutes a valid Sacrament—whether we say he is acting on his own (meaning the office itself), or acting on behalf of the Church makes no difference. Can’t be done.
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Sacraments are interpreted and re-interpreted all the time - in your branch of the Church and in other branches of the Church. Some were decided upon in the early days of Christianity - Baptism, Eucharist - and some took centuries. Eastern Churches confirm at the same time as baptism; Western churches wait. Anointing has changed since Vatican II. Ordination has changed for non-Romans, such as the Anglicans and Independent Catholics. Baptism has expanded into a much larger circle than the Roman Church originally understood. The purpose of Sacramental Theology is to see the unchangeable essence - the efficaciousness of it’s nature - and bring it into new situations. It happens ALL the time.
 
Hmmm, I think “Someone” said,
“Judge Ye Not Lest Ye Be Judged, for The Measure You Give Will Be The Measure You Get…” 🙂 I wish Prince Harry the best of happiness.
 
LilyM said:
You Americans get to support Melania Trump with yours. Her various lurks and perks must cost you a.pretty penmy.
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A few differences between Melania and the Royals:
  1. Our president makes a salary of $400,000/year and has a $50,000 expense account, a $100,000 travel account, and a $19,000 entertainment account. Peanuts when compared to the Royal Family who take whatever they want. Trump has declared that he would only take a salary of $1 “because [he] can.”
  2. The US will only support Donald, Melania, and Barron while Trump is president. Then Melania must rely solely on her husband, friends, herself, etc… Trump’s behavior and his wife’s will, in part, determine if he is re-elected. If they “party hard” like Harry and Meghan, and remain drunk all weekend, the Trumps will soon find themselves cut loose from the public coffers.
  3. The US people CHOSE to support Trump and his immediate family through a democratic election. Melania was not thrust upon us whether we liked her or not. I do not believe the residents of the UK CHOSE to support Meg.
  4. Melania, herself, is pretty thrifty. Our taxes have not gone up to support her, her husband, or their son.
  5. Melania treats EVERYONE as her equal. She does not demand that ANYONE “curtsy” to her and degrad themselves.
 
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Then there was the staunchly Calvinist William III, who thought his Anglican coronation ceremony “Popish”.
 
There is no demand that anyone curtsy to the Queen, either. She reckons it’s up to each person to decide whether to or not. Some of us, seeing her as the symbol of our nation, accord her the kind of respect an American might accord, perhaps, to the flag.
 
  1. The Royal Family can’t “Take whatever they want.” Most of their money comes from the queen’s private investments. They receive less than 15% of their income from the state, and that money is almost exclusively used for operating and maintenance expenses of the buildings, etc.
    Also, Trump is not taking a salary of $1. He’s constitutionally required to accept the whole of his compensation, to help prevent him from being manipulated. He had to change his promise because he didn’t know the Constitution. Now, he says he’ll donate most of his salary back to government agencies. Some of that money has been received, but not all of it is accounted for. Some, apparently, fits nicely in his pockets.
  2. That’s patently false. When the president leaves office, he immediately receives a sizable pension that’s valued well over $200,000 per year for the rest of his life. He and his immediate family will also receive healthcare and Secret Service protection for free and -get this- they can charge staff and office expenses up to $150,000 for the first 30 months to the taxpayer dime, decreasing to $90,000 per month for the rest of their lives.
  3. Technically, it was a republican election. Voters were represented by delegations to the Electoral College. If it were a democratic election, Trump would’ve lost by about 3 million votes. But I’m picking nits.
  4. I’ll have to take your word for that first sentence. The second sentence is totally false. Taxes pay for the first family’s food, healthcare, protection, housing, travel and other needs.
  5. That’s probably a good thing. American Citizens probably shouldn’t act like they’re Monarchs.
 
You do that very well. 😏

OK, how did that come about. (I can’t claim to have got any closer than the Prince of Wales. And I decided not to curtsy.)
 
I see your point.

It was long ago, in a land far away, when the Royals (number not known; I wasn’t there) were making a public appearance here in the former colonies. My sister, being sort of in with the folks who were sort of arranging the local doings, let her into the group that sort of got into a sort of receiving line. And she did a quick curtsy.

As I say, I wasn’t there, Maybe it was another Queen.
 
PickyPicky said:
There is no demand that anyone curtsy to the Queen, either. She reckons it’s up to each person to decide whether to or not. Some of us, seeing her as the symbol of our nation, accord her the kind of respect an American might accord, perhaps, to the flag.
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Okay, thank you! I actually like the Queen and am glad to hear she isn’t demanding.
 
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I go with all you’re saying except the Secret Service protection:

Lifetime government-provided security for former presidents was the law of the land until 1997, when Congress passed legislation limiting Secret Service protection to ten years after leaving office. The 1997 law said any president serving before January 1, 1997 would still receive the lifelong protection.

I agree, presidents in the US shouldn’t act like monarchs. It’d start another civil war.
 
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steido01 said:
“Get to.”
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LOL I’m no fan of most people named “Trump,” but Melania is more level-headed than I gave her credit for and actually pleasant abd smiling - as opposed to her usual frosty look - when the president isn’t around.
 
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Flor said:
“Judge Ye Not Lest Ye Be Judged, for The Measure You Give Will Be The Measure You Get…” 🙂 I wish Prince Harry the best of happiness.
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We all make value judgments every day, about everyone we meet. It’s in our nature.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
The Monarchy is at risk, anyway
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Wow, I do not agree with that! I think the majority of the UK like them. Even I like the older ones; it’s the younger ones, who seem to lack decorum that I don’t care for. (Before anyone asks, I’m not a racist, and I don’t give a whatever about that. It’s actions I’m talking about.)
 
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I see you can Google. Did you not read the rest of the article you quoted, or did you intentionally give a misleading partial quote? 🤣
The new law, which passed the House and Senate in December, designates that all former U.S. presidents who served after January 1, 1997, along with their spouses, receive protection from the Secret Service for their entire lifetimes…
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steido01 said:
The new law, which passed the House and Senate in December, designates that all former U.S. presidents who served after January 1, 1997, along with their spouses, receive protection from the Secret Service for their entire lifetimes…
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Sorry. no, I didn’t intentionally misquote. I’ve recently had surgery and am still on painkillers so not all here at times. Thanks for the correction.
 
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