Prince Harry and Meghan

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Ah, but he didn’t become a Prince again (having ditched his princedom on marriage) until his wife was, not a princess, but a Queen.
 
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But when a common man marries a princess he does not receive the rank of prince.
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Was Prince Philip not a common man?
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Prince Philip was born a prince. He was the Prince of Greece and Denmark
 
If one could guarantee being as fortunate as Ireland has been over recent years in the people chosen as President, republicanism would be a much more attractive proposition.
 
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Ah, but he didn’t become a Prince again (having ditched his princedom on marriage) until his wife was, not a princess, but a Queen.
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Prince Philip was forced to renounce his prince hood in order to marry Elizabeth. Several years later, the Queen reinstalled him wth the rank of Prince because he felt humiliated by constantly being our ranked by his son.

Elizabeth at first didn’t understand, but eventually realized that reinstalling Philip as a Prince was the only thing that would make the royal staff treat Philip with the respect that Philip needed to be happy with the whole arrangement.

But it took a special act by the Queen, because it didn’t happen automatically when she became Queen - and was actually several years into her monarchy.

But also, he had to be remade “Prince” because he could not be made “King consort” because male spouse cannot be given the same rank as his royal wife.

Camilla & Kate on the other hand will be both granted the rank of “Queen consort” (something even Prince Philip was denied)
 
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Sounds a bit like the script from The Crown, but certainly he forfeited his foreign titles when he married Elizabeth, being created instead Duke of Edinburgh, and was made a Prince of the United Kingdom in the late 1950s.
 
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Sounds a bit like the script from The Crown, but certainly he forfeited his foreign titles when he married Elizabeth, being created instead Duke of Edinburgh, and was made a Prince of the United Kingdom in the late 1950s.
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LOL - yes, you are right. 🙂
 
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Although the public financing of the Royal Family is in fact reported each year. The latest report is here:

https://www.royal.uk/financial-reports-2016-17

The words of the Keeper of the Privy Purse on the publication of these reports is relevant to the discussion here:

“During the year to 31 March 2017, over 3,000 official engagements were undertaken across the United Kingdom and overseas by Members of the Royal Family. These included major national events including the centenary of the Battle of the Somme, the unveiling of the Iraq and Afghanistan Memorial on Victoria Embankment, and celebrating the success of Team GB at the Olympic and Paralympic Games in Rio. As the Report states, the activities of the wider Royal Family are vital in bringing the Monarchy into direct and personal contact with all sections of society. We can expect to see other members of the family doing even more to support The Queen in the years ahead. In 2016-17 the Sovereign Grant equated to a cost of 65p per person in the United Kingdom – the price of a first-class stamp. When you consider that against what The Queen does and represents for this country, I believe it represents excellent value for money.”

The Sovereign Grant is raised from a percentage of the income of the Crown Estate, which was surrendered to the State by the Monarchy in the 18th Century.
 
He wasn’t. He was Greek royalty. Regardless, note that he was NOT given his wife’s rank. As husband of the Queen, he was given the rank of Prince, but not King…
 
Actually Queen Mary had a King Consort. Victoria also desired to recognize Albert as King Consort, but the Government wouldn’t hear of it.
 
Yes, here in Canada the Queen’s viceroys still occasionally have to intervene in extreme cases. This happened recently here in BC. The provincial election was such a tight race, that it wasn’t clear which party would be able to form a functioning government. In the end, the Lieutenant Governor, as the Crown, had two choices: dissolve the legislature and call a new election (so basically two elections in a row) or ask two parties to attempt to form a coalition government. Her Honour went with the latter… but it didn’t have to go that way.
 
Not so sure about that. I rather think the husbands of both Marys (Philip of Spain and William of Orange) were joint sovereigns each with his wife, although in Philip’s case only for as long as Mary lived.
 
I recall reading somewhere that William and Mary were permitted to rule together as he was third in line after Mary’s sister Anne, so when Mary died, he was allowed to continue.
 
Yes, Wm was Mary’s first cousin. The Bill of Rights established that Wm and Mary were joint sovereigns, and that whichever was the survivor would retain the Crown.
 
Queen Mary II was married to Sovereign Prince William of Orange.

While he ruled over a principality instead of a kingdom, he was still a sovereign in his own right.

When he married Mary II, she granted him power and Parliament voted to grant him the rank of King.

So William of Orange isn’t a good example because he was a sovereign in his own right.

It was not a usual circumstance but King Consorts did exist in the past. Typically, the Queen married another sovereign King. And in England, there was a lot of confusion regarding what Elizabeth I’s husband would have been if she would have married.
 
Oh, that’s fine. It’s very interesting. I loved reading about their Christmas menu!
 
I am not a Communist. I do not see pleasure nor seek for any member of society to be consumed into work just to justify their existence. If I ever said anything like this I am forever sorry. I am only trying to envision an ideatic modern monarchy where the monarch does maybe just that one thing and nothing else - keeping the nation together. Okay in an esoteric way I mean.
Yout Queen is a decent lady imho. I empathise with her. But the younger siblings always feel like celebs. The press discussing Kate Middleton tight jeans - this discussion shouldn’t be, as in she should just know not to wear any and if she does want to wear any then she shouldn"t be where she is. But she gave birth to kids so she did what was expected of her and created no scandal so there better tham princess Di.
Today’s monarchs have no feeling for their position what they represent. They try, work, but that is all.
 
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