Prince Harry and Meghan

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I understand. I think there is a never-ending concern for the Windsors: If we stay thoroughly regal do we look too stuffy and out of touch? If we try to be less stuffy and out of touch do we turn into mere celebs? The Dutch seem to handle it better.
 
In essence, and leaving out a lot of history which I would be glad to relate (it’s been something I’ve done for, oh, the last 15 years in places like this), yes, that’s right. Keeping in mind that what he asked for was a commonplace in the day, happened all the time.

The complicated and constantly evolving system that was developed to manage the intertwined interests of the Church and the state, with respect to marriage, as reflected in the system of impediments, dispensations and decrees of nullity in effect in the 16th century (before Trent took it in hand, a little) was designed to permit a balance between two imperatives: maintaining the sacramental status of matrimony, properly, and allowing marriages to be made and unmade (in the sense of the decree of nullity), as real politics and dynastic issues might require.

Henry’s causa was not a particularly strong one (Wolsey told him there was a stronger one; Henry ignored him), but it was as strong as was common, in the day. But he ran into something stronger. An engaged Emperor trumps a King.

So, instead of a decree of nullification, Henry got a Church. And the system, designed to consider both the intertwined imperatives of politics and theology worked as designed.
 
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Yep. Per the Act for the Marriage of Queen Mary to Philip of Spain, which set up little limits and leashes on what Phil could do, and limited his jure uxoris status, however far the writ ran, to Mary’s lifetime. No sneaking in Spain by the back door.
 
I just only… deeply empathise with your queen, and a bit bored witg everyone else aroundish her.
What will tomorrow bring? I don’t know. And I am not sure example of other countries are the answer. Maybe this is the greatest thing - nobody knows tomorrow. God may know it but He’s not saying. He is a different type.of king. Also a Father.
Whatever may be I pray all people in UK including the royals may they be blessed doing the right thing.
 
Mary888 said:
What will tomorrow bring? I don’t know. And I am not sure example of other countries are the answer. Maybe this is the greatest thing - nobody knows tomorrow. God may know it but He’s not saying. He is a different type.of king. Also a Father.
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I can assure you, God knows. 😃
 
POTUS gets a retirement salary (equal to the salary of those who sit on the Presidential Cabinet) , a stipend for staff that is around $100K and free postage for life. Not to mention the security detail.
 
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POTUS gets a retirement salary (equal to the salary of those who sit on the Presidential Cabinet) , a stipend for staff that is around $100K and free postage for life. Not to mention the security detail.
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The difference is that they were chosen by the people of the US. The RF can be seen to be imposed, though I do like and respect the older members, i.e., the Queen, Prince Philip, Charles and Camilla, Andrew, Edward and Family, Anne, many of the other older ones who actually work hard.

But I’m no fan of Harry and Meghan. I admit that. And, though I don’t wish them a rocky road, I don’t believe their marriage - if they even get that far - will last beyond three years.
 
Chosen by a a few of the people in the US

President Trump was elected by just over 19% of the people of the US (=62984825/323100000 Sources CNN Election 2016 results/US Census Bureau US Population 2016). 81% of us did not vote for him
 
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TheLittleLady said:
President Trump was elected by just over 19% of the people of the US (=62984825/323100000 Sources CNN Election 2016 results/US Census Bureau US Population 2016). 81% of us did not vote for him
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Well, I didn’t vote at all because I loathe Trump and I saw Hilary as pro-abortion, which she is, and a liar, which is a presumption of mine. So I just stayed home. I felt Trump would win, but not by the margin he did. Electoral college margin.

No matter how many people did or didn’t vote, Trump was still duly and legally (as far as we know now) elected. I am not fond of him, but he’s my president since I’m an American.
 
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TheLittleLady:
POTUS gets a retirement salary (equal to the salary of those who sit on the Presidential Cabinet) , a stipend for staff that is around $100K and free postage for life. Not to mention the security detail.
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The difference is that they were chosen by the people of the US. The RF can be seen to be imposed, though I do like and respect the older members, i.e., the Queen, Prince Philip, Charles and Camilla, Andrew, Edward and Family, Anne, many of the other older ones who actually work hard.

But I’m no fan of Harry and Meghan. I admit that. And, though I don’t wish them a rocky road, I don’t believe their marriage - if they even get that far - will last beyond three years.
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Many countries can and have removed monarchs and monarchies when the people no longer wished for them. Often relatively peacefully too, at least in recent times.

Interestingly, both Scotland and Australia have actually had popular referendums which voted to retain the monarchy.

Cambodians amd Bulgarians both, after the abolition of their respective monarchies, voted the monarchs back in as Heads of State.

Spain went back to monarchy after the rule of Franco. As did Britain after the Civil war of the 1600s and the ‘dynasty’ of Oliver Cromwell and his son Richard.

So monarchy doesn’t compare or contrast so unfavourably with elected government as you seem to think.
 
All religion (or lack thereof) is false except for Catholicism.
 
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So monarchy doesn’t compare or contrast so unfavourably with elected government as you seem to think.
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Oh, I don’t think it contrasts unfavorably at all. You must not have read all my posts. I just don’t think Americans would take to it. They would see it as “infringing on their rights.” They see almost anything as “infringing on their rights.” I don’t like that attitude, and I’m American.

As I said, it’s mostly Harry and Meg I don’t like. I love the Queen and Philip, and I am an admirer of Charles and Camilla. Even Harry said he and William “love her to bits” regarding Camilla. (I did like Diana, too.)
 
Here are some conflicting numbers:

A record 137.5 million Americans voted in the 2016 presidential election, according to new data from the U.S. Census Bureau. Overall voter turnout – defined as the share of adult U.S. citizens who cast ballots – was 61.4% in 2016, a share similar to 2012 but below the 63.6% who say they voted in 2008.

 
Yep, over 60 million each for Mrs Clinton and Mr Trump = 137.5 million. That is still less than half the population of the United States. US has 323.1 million citizens. Simple math 🙂
 
a poster express opinons that go against other posters’ grains w/out using any profanity, vulgarity or foul language

apologize for & withdraw potentially offensive posts

and you still get accused of being a “low grade troll”

this sort of behavior definitely encourages the open exchange of opinions & ideas, , or does it? :(😦
 
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i think the figures must be taking into account people that weren’t eligible to vote ; eg too young

or didn’t vote at all

otherwise it is typical CNN fake news…
 
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