Prison break: 2 killers escape maximum security prison using power tools

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The real question should be, how were they able to navigate the maze of underground tunnels to the right spot?! Sounds like they had help from someone in public works.

I really doubt the nearby town has anything to worry about, its unlikely the 2 will stay in the area, they are probably out of the state by now if they had a 7+ hour head start.

Prison breaks are nothing new though, they have happened all thru the past, and will likely happen in the future, if someone is truly determined, they will find a way to get out.
 
mikekle said:
The real question should be, how were they able to navigate the maze of underground tunnels to the right spot?! Sounds like they had help from someone in public works.

I really doubt the nearby town has anything to worry about, its unlikely the 2 will stay in the area, they are probably out of the state by now if they had a 7+ hour head start.

Prison breaks are nothing new though, they have happened all thru the past, and will likely happen in the future, if someone is truly determined, they will find a way to get out.
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. . . which is precisely my point 👍
 
Something is missing in this story. I have operated many kinds of power tools and can’t remember any that didn’t make a lot of noise cutting whatever it was they were cutting. Were the guards willfully deaf? 🤷
 
unstoppable_II said:
Something is missing in this story. I have operated many kinds of power tools and can’t remember any that didn’t make a lot of noise cutting whatever it was they were cutting. Were the guards willfully deaf? 🤷
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You got that right. Probably several somethings.
 
DaveBj said:
cnn.com/2015/06/07/us/new-york-escapees/

(For the benefit of those who still believe that it is possible to keep murderers securely locked up, and therefore the death penalty is no longer necessary.)
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What does the Vicar of Christ and the Bishops tell us about the necessity of the death penalty?

I think I will stick with their thoughts on the matter as they have the charism and the authority to teach the faithful.
 
ringil said:
What does the Vicar of Christ and the Bishops tell us about the necessity of the death penalty?

I think I will stick with their thoughts on the matter as they have the charism and the authority to teach the faithful.
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The Vicar of Christ and the Bishops are not the ones who have to pick up the pieces when an imprisoned murderer escapes and kills again. There is a very good reason why God instituted capital punishment, and while there are also good reasons for making it rare, there is no good reason for doing away with it altogether.
 
DaveBj said:
The Vicar of Christ and the Bishops are not the ones who have to pick up the pieces when an imprisoned murderer escapes and kills again. There is a very good reason why God instituted capital punishment, and while there are also good reasons for making it rare, there is no good reason for doing away with it altogether.
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I think I will stick with the Pope and Bishops- thanks.
 
ringil said:
I think I will stick with the Pope and Bishops- thanks.
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I’m still waiting for them to use as much of their influence in support of the victims of murder as they are in support of maintaining murderers.
 
unstoppable_II said:
Something is missing in this story. I have operated many kinds of power tools and can’t remember any that didn’t make a lot of noise cutting whatever it was they were cutting. Were the guards willfully deaf? 🤷
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The guards who supplied them with the power tools probably made sure he was duty or other guards were far enough away when they operated them…to get power tools into a cell would definitely take some inside help.

I find it almost funny, the guards fell for the old ‘fake body in the bed’ trick, I mean, this tactic has been used in comedy movies all the time. LOL
 
DaveBj said:
(For the benefit of those who still believe that it is possible to keep murderers securely locked up, and therefore the death penalty is no longer necessary.)
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First escape for the maximum security portion of a prison in 170 years?
mikekle said:
I find it almost funny, the guards fell for the old ‘fake body in the bed’ trick, I mean, this tactic has been used in comedy movies all the time. LOL
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You’re assuming that they fell for the trick. They very well could have orchestrated that, to cover for the guards or give them plausible deniability. Obviously there was a staggering amount of significant inside help in this case.
 
InigoMontoya said:
First escape for the maximum security portion of a prison in 170 years?

You’re assuming that they fell for the trick. They very well could have orchestrated that, to cover for the guards or give them plausible deniability. Obviously there was a staggering amount of significant inside help in this case.
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We will see, helping out murderers. I’m not so sure about that and they do not look like they had a lot of extra money. Maybe they just fooled everyone.

Unfortunately, it sounds like one of the men may have actually killed two persons, one when he was a fugitive in Mexico it sounds like the story says.
 
NY Governor repeats point made here:
The two convicted murderers who escaped a New York maximum security prison near the Canadian border had to have been overheard by someone while they were planning the “elaborate” plot, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Sunday, as bloodhounds and helicopters were on the hunt for them.
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The two murderers who used power tools to escape from prison must have taken days to cut through steel walls and pipes and break through the bricks.
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“It was a sophisticated plan,” Cuomo said. “It took a period of time, no doubt, to execute.”
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foxnews.com/us/2015/06/08/2-convicted-murderers-escape-from-ny-maximum-security-prison/
 
Path_Finder said:
We will see, helping out murderers. I’m not so sure about that and they do not look like they had a lot of extra money. Maybe they just fooled everyone.

Unfortunately, it sounds like one of the men may have actually killed two persons, one when he was a fugitive in Mexico it sounds like the story says.
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I suppose the notion that they just fooled everyone, can’t be ruled out conclusively. However there are just too many factors here that would make that almost unfathomable in my mind.
 
InigoMontoya said:
I suppose the notion that they just fooled everyone, can’t be ruled out conclusively. However there are just too many factors here that would make that almost unfathomable in my mind.
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They may indeed have had an “inside” accomplice or two, but your statement of a “staggering amount of significant inside help” gives the impression there was some giant conspiracy involving many people. Also, referring to “the guards” as accomplices makes it out as if ALL the guards were complicit. I find that to be as “unfathomable” as the criminals just fooling everyone.

On the other hand, there is that adage about not assuming malice when stupidity (and/or incompetence) can explain events just as well. Though people who like their conspiracy theories probably would disagree, it seems they actually find the idea of a world where bad things always happen because evil people deliberately plot to make them happen, more comforting than a world where such events happen by chance.
 
unstoppable_II said:
Something is missing in this story. I have operated many kinds of power tools and can’t remember any that didn’t make a lot of noise cutting whatever it was they were cutting. Were the guards willfully deaf? 🤷
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Their noise was drowned out by the noise of the contractors who were working in the area.
 
And people said it was impossible for people to escape our “sophisticated” prisons lol
 
justsomeguy085 said:
And people said it was impossible for people to escape our “sophisticated” prisons lol
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How were they able to navigate underground without any blueprints of the pipes and how it intersects with the sewer system.

Why would you deny that the prison was “sophisticated”, if the means of escape was fairly astounding.

I think they would rather kill themselves before going to a supermax.
 
If they are smart enough to get through that thing, they may be smart away to get away from authorities and I’d say are probably up in Canada right now.
 
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