Prison break: 2 killers escape maximum security prison using power tools

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ChurchSuffering said:
Because man has no right to determine when ones life should end, that is for only God.
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In the case of capital punishment, in order to protect society from dangerous people, society does have the right to execute the guilty, per the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

In fact, it would be immoral for the legal authorities not protect people from dangerous people as they can.

The Pope and Bishops believe that the legal authorities have the means of protecting people from dangerous murderers, but anyone who works in the prison system, and the fact that these two convicted murders have escaped, such is not the case.

Jim
 
mikekle said:
Yes, if they are corrupt on one thing, its most likely they are open to other forms of corruption too. Have to remember the enemy has these people under his control, they are just not going to do the right thing, their minds do not work like that.
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Just for the record: If by “these people” you mean everyone in the criminal justice system, then I do NOT agree with you. People in the system are subject to corruption NOT because they are controlled by the devil, at least any more than people in general, but because they are, you know, sinners subject to conscupience, just like you and me.

Don’t make it out like I agree with your conspiracy theories.

As for comment about the criminals not having killed anyone yet…evil and stupid aren’t the same. I’m sure they’d prefer to lie low and stay under the radar. That doesn’t mean they’d be completely harmless to some unlucky person who stumbled upon them.

And if the officials didn’t give such warnings and someone got killed, I’m sure you’d think up some conspiracy theory to explain that to.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
In the case of capital punishment, in order to protect society from dangerous people, society does have the right to execute the guilty, per the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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Yeah, and thats awful convenient for the secular society too, EVERY other person is not allowed to do such a thing, but when it comes to Govt, Oh,its OK, its fine for them…, LOL.Give to Caesar what is Caesars, that is another ‘convenient benefit’ provided…some of these things have always made me wonder, just seems like the secular Govt benefits a bit too much when it comes to ‘laws’ handed down by the CC…IDK, maybe its just me?
 
ChurchSuffering said:
Because man has no right to determine when ones life should end, that is for only God.
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We say that and I probably largely agree with this, Jesus said Whomever is without sin, cast the first stone but the Bible indeed also tells us an eye for an eye in the OT.

So, yes, it is down to Church guidance.
 
Respectfully, this doesn’t change my mind about the DP. No one has escaped from any supermax. I think it is a bad idea to build a maximum security prison over a warren of old tunnels and steam pipes. That, combined with leaving power tools laying around, accomplices, escape would be possible from anywhere, including death row.

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Latias said:
I think they would rather kill themselves before going to a supermax.
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Don’t think they don’t know it either. I am sure they both would rather go down, than to go to a supermax. Executions are the easy way out. Many people go insane in a supermax. The shoe bomber’s mother said her son should be executed rather than slowly rot in a supermax.
People have waived their appeals process because they couldn’t take being isolated on death row.
 
mikekle said:
Yeah, and thats awful convenient for the secular society too, EVERY other person is not allowed to do such a thing, but when it comes to Govt, Oh,its OK, its fine for them…, LOL.Give to Caesar what is Caesars, that is another ‘convenient benefit’ provided…some of these things have always made me wonder, just seems like the secular Govt benefits a bit too much when it comes to ‘laws’ handed down by the CC…IDK, maybe its just me?
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Back when Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he put together a commision made up of religious people, psychologists, law enforcement and educators to study the issue of capital punishment,.

Their report and what Romney submitted to the legislature but was defeated, seem to be the best approach in dealing with dangerous criminals.

The proposal was that capital punishment should be used rarely, but should be used when a convicted criminal, kills or attempts to kill while serving in prison. This means attempting to harm prison staff or other inmates, but also includes contracting kills on the outside, which gang leaders are doing today.

A convicted person criminal kills a cop.

This seems reasonable.

However, as I said, the proposed legislation was defeated in the overwhelmingly democratic legislature.

Now, it became known just the past month, that a cop killer in the town next to me, has been allowed to go home on week-ends and holidays.

Supposedly. he was mentally sick when he shot the cop in the face, after fleeing a robbery where he assaulted the store clerk.

This is why people are cynical about the Bishop’s opposition to the death penalty.

Jim
 
esieffe said:
Respectfully, this doesn’t change my mind about the DP. No one has escaped from any supermax. I think it is a bad idea to build a maximum security prison over a warren of old tunnels and steam pipes. That, combined with leaving power tools laying around, accomplices, escape would be possible from anywhere, including death row.

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For someone to escape prison, all they really have to do is become good friends with one of the staff, after this, anything is possible. Some people have a very convincing manner about them, people are drawn to them, Im sure we have all met people like this over the years, well, some of these people end up in prison, they use their ‘talents’ on staff and thats all they need to escape.

Ive never heard of ANY prison that is 100% escape proof, once they make that claim,is right when it happens! I mean, Alcatraz was probably the most secure prison ever built, still, some did escape, they still are not sure what became of those 3 guys.
 
Tomdstone said:
Why was Joyce Mitchell so friendly with the suspects?
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Over a certain amount of time, if people spend enough time together, they usually become friends, this is just human nature, theres no way to stop that, it just happens.

This is really nothing new though, there have been PLENTY of people who escaped prison and avoided capture for years, sometimes decades, if they obey the laws, and dont resort to past behavior and DO NOT contact ANY family/ friends, it is extremely tough to find them.

Plus, for the most part, both these guys look pretty average.
 
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