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thistle said:
If that is the alleged prophecy of St Malachy . . . the Church has stated that it is a forgery.
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The Catholic Church has stated no such thing, despite having had over 400 years to do so. Perhaps you are thinking of the essays posted by Catholic Answers staff, and if they are allowed to hold discussions on this subject, then why can’t we?

BTW: as you have been told before, we have all known since 1880 that St. Malachy did not write this prophecy. That fact was irrelevant to Pope Pius XII when he selected a phrase from the prophecy to be the title of his 1942 autobiographical film. Of course you are not required by the Church to place any credence in this subject, but it is not correct to dismiss it simply on the grounds of “forgery.” In 400 years there has been plenty of time to evaluate the validity of the post 1595 predictions, and the prophecy stands or falls on that analysis.
 
undead_rat said:
The Catholic Church has stated no such thing, despite having had over 400 years to do so. Perhaps you are thinking of the essays posted by Catholic Answers staff, and if they are allowed to hold discussions on this subject, then why can’t we?

BTW: as you have been told before, we have all known since 1880 that St. Malachy did not write this prophecy. That fact was irrelevant to Pope Pius XII when he selected a phrase from the prophecy to be the title of his 1942 autobiographical film. Of course you are not required by the Church to place any credence in this subject, but it is not correct to dismiss it simply on the grounds of “forgery.” In 400 years there has been plenty of time to evaluate the validity of the post 1595 predictions, and the prophecy stands or falls on that analysis.
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Bookmark this please.

Not that I want Pope Francis to die or resign soon but we will all be laughing again about these prophecies when his successor is appointed!!
 
thistle said:
Not that I want Pope Francis to die or resign soon but we will all be laughing again about these prophecies when his successor is appointed!!
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I sincerely hope that you are right about this, my friend. The predictions for Francis and Benedict are too ominous for me to repeat here.
 
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Then where does the magisterium get “revelation” to make new decisions about doctrine and ethics?
 
Magisterium can be categorised into two - Sacred and Ordinary Magisterium, each which can be sub-divided.

Again about doctrines, they can have different levels, perhaps in simplistic categories - dogma, doctrine and discipline.

There is no new Doctrine that has not been revealed from the apostles. What teachings of the Magisterium we have now derive from the deposit of faith - sanctity of life, for example.

I am not trained in this to go into the details. Probably other people are more knowledgeable.

God bless.
 
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undead_rat said:
I sincerely hope that you are right about this, my friend. The predictions for Francis and Benedict are too ominous for me to repeat here.
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Actually you are not allowed to repeat them in these forums because they are not approved by the Church.
 
thistle said:
Actually you are not allowed to repeat them in these forums because they are not approved by the Church.
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Are you saying that CAF prohibits the citing of a vision that was related by a Pope who was beatified, Pope St Pius X. That’s news to me.

Are you also saying that one may not cite the title of Pope Pius’ 1942 autobiographical film which is from your other so-called prohibited list?

can’t you answer these questions?
 
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6.Do not post material from unapproved private revelations.

This is what Thistle is referring to.
Just in case one needs to check,rules are in the FAQ.
 
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"Why does the sun go on shining
Why does the sea rush to shore
Don’t they know it’s the end of the world
'Cause you don’t love me any more

Why do the birds go on singing
Why do the stars glow above
Don’t they know it’s the end of the world
It ended when I lost your love

I wake up in the morning and I wonder
Why everything’s the same as it was
I can’t understand, no, I can’t understand
How life goes on the way it does

Why does my heart go on beating
Why do these eyes of mine cry
Don’t they know it’s the end of the world
It ended when you said goodbye

Why does my heart go on beating
Why do these eyes of mine cry
Don’t they know it’s the end of the world
It ended when you said goodbye"
 
Struggling1 said:
  1. How do we explain all the private revelations that haven’t come to pass?
  2. Are there official revelations the church does accept? I.e some people predict the end of the world and it didn’t happen.
  3. How do we know like the rosary and it’s promises are true if the church won’t even validate the revelation?
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  1. Most “private revelations” are just imaginings, however pious.
  2. Yes, there are a some private revelations the Church has deemed “worthy of belief.”
  3. The promises of Our Lady are the same as that of Her Son in the Gospel. The Church does not add to the teachings of Christ. The Church would never specify a date on which the world would end, as that would be contrary to the teaching of Christ.
 
If your talking about the Malachy prophecies then you have it a little wrong brother. Pope Francis IS the last pope he’s the 112th pope the so called “Peter the Roman” according to the prophecy. I will give you the key that links Pope Francis with the Petrvs Romanvs description of the 112th pope is the last before the coming of the Lord. Tradition holds that Peter was the “first pope”. Now a Roman is a Latin. So this is what Peter the Roman means : “the first Latin Pope”. Pope Francis is from “Latin” America and when he was elected pope he was hailed as “the first Latin pope! The first Latin pope!” in Spanish media headlines read “el primer papa latino”. So Peter (the first pope) the Roman(Latin). There it is. Pope Francis is the last 112th pope he is Petrvs Romanvs according to the Malachy prophecies which are true and accurate. The end and coming of the Lord is about to happen.
 
No, the church definitely recognized these things, especially those private revelations that have been approved. The church, upon giving them approval, deems them worthy of belief. She has gone in, studied, examined them inside and out from every side and concludes that all sings point to it that they are indeed authentic and supernatural. Nevertheless, she does not oblige us to believe them, she however proclaims them worthy of belief. This basically means she believes them to be real, but won’t punish you for believing otherwise. My general rule is, if Holy Mother church believes it, I believe it :). The scapular and the Rosary have also been present in so many approved private revelations that one can hardly imagine them to be anything other than powerful tools of Our Lord and Lady for Our well-being. Hope that helps 🙂
 
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We should not do something because of promises or what we can get out of them.

We should pray for the glory and worship of God.

The Rosary is prayed to remind us of Christ’s life and ministry on earth.
 
Devotions such as the rosary are never obligatory.

If someone receives a private revelation to do so, however, ONLY that person would be obliged, not everyone else.
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A better way to put this is that, if someone receives what they think is a private revelation, and if they confirm this to be from God, usually with their pastor or spiritual director, only then might they be obliged, personally. Not everyone else.
 
KevinK said:
Then where does the magisterium get “revelation” to make new decisions about doctrine and ethics?
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Re: public revelation, there is development of doctrine. Confer Cardinal Newman, for instance. Some issues come up - think of stem cell research - that were not envisioned in the early Church. There is, however a body of doctrine that the Magisterium can interpret to apply to new situations.

re: private revelation, unapproved private revelations are often wildly contradictory. You can find a private revelation to support, and/or oppose, every sensible or nonsensical theory, prophecy, or what have you. It is damaging to your spiritual health, and to that of others.

re: approved private revelation, keep in mind this is just an optional supplement, like adding music to church services. It is not where you get your guidance from, but just a little extra encouragement. If you are going to read any approved private revelation, here is my suggestion: Read 10 pages of the Catechism for every one page you read about Fatima, Lourdes, etc. Don’t assume you know the Catholic Faith well.

In the 1950s, most Catholics knew their public revelation pretty well. It was prudent for the Church then to encourage people to take a look at Fatima, etc.

Today most Catholics do not know their public revelation that well. I would not tell anyone about any private revelation unless I was assured they were familiar with most of the content of the Catechism. Fatima was originally approved, as to its original core message reviewed in the 1920s. 90% of what I see on the internet about Fatima was neither approved nor disapproved by the Church; so if you see the word “approved” on any private revelation, discern if this particular thing was part of the original approval, or later stuff.
 
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Private revelations = take ‘em or leave ‘em…, no harm, no foul
 
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undead_rat:
It is gratifying to find someone that believes this Prophecy is true, because there are not many.
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Most people go along with the Catholic Church on this. That is why “there are not many”.
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The Church has had over 400 years to condemn this list of papal mottoes and has not done so. Pope Pius XII even selected his own motto, Pastor angelicus, to be the title of his 1942 autobiographical film.
Perhaps you are thinking of Catholic Answers apologists such as Tim Staples or Jimmy Akin who have posted their negative views. The Catholic Encyclopedia takes a neutral stance.

The real reason that Catholics and others don’t find the mottoes to be valid is that they are using the edited version of the mottoes* which would cast Pope Francis as “Petrus Romanus,” which is a name that does not fit him.

*FLORILEGIUM INSULAE SANCTORUM, Messingham, 1624
 
godisgood77 said:
Private revelations = take ‘em or leave ‘em…, no harm, no foul
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No harm, unless you use private revelations to evaluate public revelation, or one’s bishop or the pope. This is what often gets hinted at, or there are indirect references without mentioning names.

Sometimes one hears “Listen to ‘Mary’, not the bishops!”

That means obey me, often a website, picking and choosing a few paragraphs out of the million paragraphs ascribed to ‘Mary’, rather than obedience to proper authority.
 
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