"Pro-abortion Catholics Worse than Pedophile Priests"

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A brief but sobering thought.
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If you ranked Catholics about how they lived their faith on a scale of 1 - 10 with 1 being the lowest…being a pro-choice Catholic would put you at a 1. I liken being pro-choice to selling your soul to the devil.
 
I disagree with the premise of the article-- that prominent pro-choice Catholics do more harm to the faith than pedophile priests. Speaking as a simple Catholic in the pews, I still feel sick when I think of PRIESTS, our ordained, standing-in-place-of-Christ men, using their revered and sacred position to sexually abuse minors, and BISHOPS, our ordained, standing-in-place-of-Christ leaders, complicit in moving these priests around and failing to protect adolescents in the flock. By virtue of the very special authority these men hold in our church we are more hurt by their complete betrayal of Christ and the authority they inherited from Him than we are by the clearest sin of laypeople.

Prominent pro-choice Catholics are much easier to disregard, especially if they are politicians. They have none of the presumed credibility and authority that is inherent to priests and bishops.
 
dmelosi said:
If you ranked Catholics about how they lived their faith on a scale of 1 - 10 with 1 being the lowest…being a pro-choice Catholic would put you at a 1. I liken being pro-choice to selling your soul to the devil.
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Wonder what it means to be a pro-life Catholic who is for the death penalty and pre-emptive war on your scale.
 
frommi said:
Wonder what it means to be a pro-life Catholic who is for the death penalty and pre-emptive war on your scale.
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Capital punishement and war are not objectively evil (pre-emptive war is, I’m willing to grant.) Abortion and molesting children are.
 
frommi said:
Wonder what it means to be a pro-life Catholic who is for the death penalty and pre-emptive war on your scale.
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When I use the term pro-life, I use it as it was originally coined, to mean anti abortion. The democrats who wanted to “dumb” down the term (so they could justify accepting killing of the innocent) expanded it to mean other issues.

If you are for the death penalty as many republicans are, they are not following the Catholic teachings in MOST cases. Using my 1 - 10 scale, this would put them also at a lower number, but not close to the low number that pro-choice Catholics would get.

If you are for the war, that is completely debatable and may or may not go against the church teachings. Sadaam was directly responsible for over 900,000 people by many estimates.

Pedophile Priests will sure get their due. Don’t know how anyone could stoop so low. They not only ruin peoples lives, spiritually and mentally, but turn so many away from our faith.
 
I am very much pro-life–and I try to have a bigger view of the issue than simply stopping pre-natal infanticide.
 
bpbasilphx said:
I am very much pro-life–and I try to have a bigger view of the issue than simply stopping pre-natal infanticide.
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Not sure what you mean…

Do you give the 3 examples, abortion,dealth penatly, war the same weight?

And why do you say pre-natal infanticide instead of murder? Do you not believe that it is murder?
 
frommi said:
Wonder what it means to be a pro-life Catholic who is for the death penalty and pre-emptive war on your scale.
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They are totally in line with the Teachngs of the Church.
  1. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
 
<<Not sure what you mean…

Do you give the 3 examples, abortion,dealth penatly, war the same weight?

And why do you say pre-natal infanticide instead of murder? Do you not believe that it is murder? >>

If you ask if I’m against capital punishment, yes, I am. Jesus gave the qualifications for the executioners in John 8.

Are you not aware that “infanticide” means the murder of an infant?

As for war, I don’t know what I think, but I believed at the time that the invasion of Iraq would not be in the best interests of America in the long run.
 
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I know what I said. I know I said, “pre-natal infanticide.”

If infanticide means the murder of an infant, as has been pointed out here TWICE, then pre-natal infanticide is murdering a baby before s/he is born.

:banghead:

Get it now?
 
bpbasilphx said:
<<Not sure what you mean…

Do you give the 3 examples, abortion,dealth penatly, war the same weight?

And why do you say pre-natal infanticide instead of murder? Do you not believe that it is murder? >>

If you ask if I’m against capital punishment, yes, I am. Jesus gave the qualifications for the executioners in John 8.

Are you not aware that “infanticide” means the murder of an infant?

As for war, I don’t know what I think, but I believed at the time that the invasion of Iraq would not be in the best interests of America in the long run.
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I am aware of what infanticide means, but was wondering why it was preceded with “pre-natal”. Looking back at your post…I think I read something into it that was not there, I apologize for that.

As I said earlier, capital punishment is wrong most of the time, but not all.

I think the war has been crucified by the media from the start because of a very liberal leaning media.
 
bpbasilphx said:
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I know what I said. I know I said, “pre-natal infanticide.”

If infanticide means the murder of an infant, as has been pointed out here TWICE, then pre-natal infanticide is murdering a baby before s/he is born.

:banghead:

Get it now?
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pre-natal infanticide sure sounds a lot more impersonal than murder
 
pre-natal infanticide sure sounds a lot more impersonal than murder
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Do you really think other people need to word things in the way that meets your approval? Why are you busting chops over this?
 
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