Pro-abortion Pelosi insults Catholic Faith

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The article wasn’t very clear on how they thought she intended “the use of a Catholic Mass”.

With that said, I don’t know that if the Archbishop “cancel any festivities at the Catholic college, particularly any attempt to honor Pelosi during Mass”, what that will accomplish (once again, the article didn’t go into any real details. I don’t know what the readings are tomorrow but I think it’d be more effective if the priest giving the homily spoke out against abortion. THAT would be a better message than cancelling Mass.
 
Dandelion_Wine said:
The article wasn’t very clear on how they thought she intended “the use of a Catholic Mass”.

With that said, I don’t know that if the Archbishop “cancel any festivities at the Catholic college, particularly any attempt to honor Pelosi during Mass”, what that will accomplish (once again, the article didn’t go into any real details. I don’t know what the readings are tomorrow but I think it’d be more effective if the priest giving the homily spoke out against abortion. THAT would be a better message than cancelling Mass.
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Oh, if only the Bishops would take a firm, unequivocable stand on abortion. Giving communion to a publicly pro-abortion politician is like giving communion to the guards at Auschwitz
 
Dandelion_Wine said:
The article wasn’t very clear on how they thought she intended “the use of a Catholic Mass”.

the article didn’t go into any real details.
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Yes, what was “her intended use of the Mass”? Precisely what?

BTW, I’m not sure if it’s up to the Ordinary to deny a Catholic Holy Eucharist or up to the Catholic to refrain from receiving the Sacrament because of his or her position on abortion. Doesn anyone know what the Vatican has ordered?
 
Richardols said:
Yes, what was “her intended use of the Mass”? Precisely what?

BTW, I’m not sure if it’s up to the Ordinary to deny a Catholic Holy Eucharist or up to the Catholic to refrain from receiving the Sacrament because of his or her position on abortion. Doesn anyone know what the Vatican has ordered?
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Ordinaries may certainly deny a Catholic the Holy Eucharist in such cases – and several of them have.
 
Richardols said:
So, it’s their option whether to make a public issue of it or not.
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That is how some bishops interpret Cardinal Ratzinger’s position on the subject – although I’m not sure what you mean by “make a public issue of it.”
 
vern_humphrey said:
That is how some bishops interpret Cardinal Ratzinger’s position on the subject – although I’m not sure what you mean by “make a public issue of it.”
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Issuing a public statement denying her the Sacrament is what I meant.
 
Why does there have to be a public statement! The Arch-Bishop should just go and be the celebrant of that mass and give his homily on the evils of abortion. He should make it clear why we as Catholics should not take communion in a state of mortal sin. He does not have to even bring Pelosi into the conversation, but reference the sin and scandal created by catholic who is in the public eye who embraces the culture of death. He can even refuse him communion if he so chooses.

I for one hope he does!

Peace!
 
Richardols said:
Issuing a public statement denying her the Sacrament is what I meant.
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It would seem to me that Cardinal Ratzinger’s statement is adequate “public” announcement and that any Catholic who in an official position advocates or supports abortion commits a mortal sin and cannot recieve the sacrement without a sincere confession.
 
vern_humphrey said:
It would seem to me that Cardinal Ratzinger’s statement is adequate “public” announcement and that any Catholic who in an official position advocates or supports abortion commits a mortal sin and cannot recieve the sacrement without a sincere confession.
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True enough, but I wondered about Wuerl’s making a public confrontation of Pelosi at this time, rather than about the former Cardinal’s previous statement.
 
It’s unclear what exactly is going to happen at that Mass. However, I don’t understand why the bishops don’t read these pro-butchery liberals the riot act. Explain to them in no uncertain terms that abortion is the greatest evil of our day. Explain that the blood of 40+ million children is on their hands, and that they will not be offered communion until a public remission of their position is offered AND they have received sacramental forgiveness of their wickedness.

It’s high time the Church took off the gloves with this non-sense! What are the bishops afraid of? Losing tax exemptions? So what, a little persecution might do us all some good. Scaring away pro-death church members? Good, self-imposed excommunication (time-out) might be the best thing for them.
 
prodigal-sun said:
Why does there have to be a public statement! The Arch-Bishop should just go and be the celebrant of that mass and give his homily on the evils of abortion. He should make it clear why we as Catholics should not take communion in a state of mortal sin. He does not have to even bring Pelosi into the conversation, but reference the sin and scandal created by catholic who is in the public eye who embraces the culture of death. He can even refuse him communion if he so chooses.

I for one hope he does!

Peace!
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If the bishops had stood up on their hind legs thirty-odd years ago, we wouldn’t have the abortioin rate we do in this country.
 
Richardols said:
True enough, but I wondered about Wuerl’s making a public confrontation of Pelosi at this time, rather than about the former Cardinal’s previous statement.
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“This time” is the time in which we live. If the statement wasn’t made earlier, it has to be made in the here-and-now.

As I said, had the Catholic bishops stood up on their hind legs some thirty years ago, abortion wouldn’t be nearly as rampant in this country as it is.
 
vern_humphrey said:
It would seem to me that Cardinal Ratzinger’s statement is adequate “public” announcement and that any Catholic who in an official position advocates or supports abortion commits a mortal sin and cannot recieve the sacrement without a sincere confession.
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And yet, I was just listening to a podcast of an interview with Cardinal George for the At Issue segment on WBBM. He was asked about that (refusing Communion to pro-choice Catholic pols) and said that this was not a unanimous position amongst all the Bishops which is why the US Conference of Catholic Bishops had not come up with a statement.
 
Richardols said:
Issuing a public statement denying her the Sacrament is what I meant.
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She should be privately counseled to not present herself for Communion. I am not sure how they should handle it if she goes ahead and tries to receive anyway. part of me wants to see her denied communion but also dont want to the mass turned into a political spectacle.

The best solution would have been for well meaning but misguided catholics not to have voted for the Abortion party in the first place. we are now going to reap what we sowed. and chidren will die for it.
 
vern_humphrey said:
If the bishops had stood up on their hind legs thirty-odd years ago, we wouldn’t have the abortioin rate we do in this country.
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No doubt. Had they done that the Democrat party would NEVER have embraced the culture of death.
 
estesbob said:
She should be privately counseled to not present herself for Communion. I am not sure how they should handle it if she goes ahead and tries to receive anyway. part of me wants to see her denied communion but also dont want to the mass turned into a political spectacle.

The best solution would have been for well meaning but misguided catholics not to have voted for the Abortion party in the first place. we are now going to reap what we sowed. and chidren will die for it.
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Sadly, I must agree with you. On both counts. She should be told that to present herself at communion would be a sin and she most certainly is not in “communion” with the tenents of her faith. OTOH we as a community of Catholics are to blame too… we have stood by and watched all this happen and have done little to correct it before now. Before everyone jumps on me… I am not saying all of us…just the overwhelming majority of us have kept silent for way way too long about the evils of abortion.
 
estesbob said:
She should be privately counseled to not present herself for Communion. I am not sure how they should handle it if she goes ahead and tries to receive anyway. part of me wants to see her denied communion but also dont want to the mass turned into a political spectacle.

The best solution would have been for well meaning but misguided catholics not to have voted for the Abortion party in the first place. we are now going to reap what we sowed. and chidren will die for it.
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And sadly, many on our forum will continue to do the same thing with a straight face and tell us that they are obeying the tenets of the Church. As long as the powers that be allow such prominent Catholics to continue to receive Communion this will continue. And think of the scandal it brings on the Church from outside.
 
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