Pro-Choice in Europe

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I’m sure many people posting in these forums live in the USA. However, I know there are some people posting here who live in other countries.

Every year at election, people in the USA argue about voting for a “pro-choice” person versus a “pro-life” person.

What I would like to know is, do these issues exist in other places such as Europe and Australia? When a candidate is running for office, do they argue about whether the candidate is “pro-choice” or “pro-life?”

Come to think of it, I have heard plenty of conservative Catholics here in the USA state that “pro-choice” politicians shouldn’t be considered Catholic and shouldn’t receive Communion. However, I have never heard of an instance where the Pope refused to give communion to a “pro-choice” Italian official.

Does this issue exist only in the USA, or is it all over the world? I am hoping that posters from other countries will be able to answer this.

In the meantime, I can’t wait until the election is over (no more degrading political commercials to listen to)!
 
Here in the UK no one ever asks. Religion isn’t even considored important, a politician is never going to be asked on their moral/religious beliefs.

It’s legal to have an abortion anywhere in the UK, and its very unlikely to be changed any time soon. If a politician did say they were pro-life, I have a feeling they would lose a lot of the vote. Not because of the individual beliefs of the voter, but because in the UK we have a strong feeling of democracy and think everyone should have the right to everything.

The pro-life movement in the UK is pathetic compared to the USA to be honest.
 
Many people in Europe have been brainwashed by atheism/secularism. We must pray for them.
 
Here in Australia there is absolutely no mention of the issue whatsoever. The difference here is that we have dedicated Christian parties (quite successful ones at times), therefore the assumption is that those parties are always opposed to abortion. Conversely it is assumed that those parties that do not overtly claim to be Christian support “pro-choice”.
 
LemonAndLime said:
Here in the UK no one ever asks. Religion isn’t even considored important, a politician is never going to be asked on their moral/religious beliefs.
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Do you consider abortion/euthanasia/assisted suicide, etc., a religious issue? Why don’t you consider it a social justice issue?
 
RosaryFan said:
Do you consider abortion/euthanasia/assisted suicide, etc., a religious issue? Why don’t you consider it a social justice issue?
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People view these things from a number of perspectives.

When Americans talk about things like this they talk about them from the perspective of America (just as we - even those of us who’ve lived in the US - look at America through European eyes). You see, the problem is with your use of the word ‘issue’ because, in the US, large numbers of people ‘take issue’ with one another over the subject. This is not the case in most European countries - there is no ‘critical mass’ of concern.

It may be interesting for American readers to know that, several years ago, the European Court of Human Rights (which has some equivalence to the US Supreme Court from the point of view of ‘rights’) had a case appealed to it (Vo v France) which would have established the rights of the fetus throughout Europe - or not, if the Court found against Mrs Vo. The ECHR decided something that most American pro-lifers would have applauded, it said that it was none of its business - ie, that it was entirely a matter for the Countries to decide for themselves.
 
Kaninchen said:
People view these things from a number of perspectives.

When Americans talk about things like this they talk about them from the perspective of America (just as we - even those of us who’ve lived in the US - look at America through European eyes). You see, the problem is with your use of the word ‘issue’ because, in the US, large numbers of people ‘take issue’ with one another over the subject. This is not the case in most European countries - there is no ‘critical mass’ of concern.

It may be interesting for American readers to know that, several years ago, the European Court of Human Rights (which has some equivalence to the US Supreme Court from the point of view of ‘rights’) had a case appealed to it (Vo v France) which would have established the rights of the fetus throughout Europe - or not, if the Court found against Mrs Vo. The ECHR decided something that most American pro-lifers would have applauded, it said that it was none of its business - ie, that it was entirely a matter for the Countries to decide for themselves.
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I just think that whether or not you legalize the killing of unborn children, elderly and infirm has nothing to do with any particular religion.
 
RosaryFan said:
I just think that whether or not you legalize the killing of unborn children, elderly and infirm has nothing to do with any particular religion.
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I’m not arguing with you about that, I’m just pointing out that it’s a minority interest.
 
Kaninchen said:
The ECHR decided something that most American pro-lifers would have applauded, it said that it was none of its business - ie, that it was entirely a matter for the Countries to decide for themselves.
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That is, most American pro-lifers want the Country to decide the issue? If that’s what you’re saying, you may be right. Or not. :confused:
 
reggieM said:
That is, most American pro-lifers want the Country to decide the issue? If that’s what you’re saying, you may be right. Or not. :confused:
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It’s like the Supreme Court saying that it’s a matter for the several States to decide for themselves.
 
NE_Catholic said:
The birth rate.
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Pssssssst. Our birth rate isn’t 0, nor has it gone down recently. We’re also just as numerous as you Americans.

And if you’re going to say things like that, I could say that Americans are getting easier and easier to find because of their increasing waist size. It’s a fact, but its unnessary and I apologize for it in advance. But I’m proving a point.
 
Listener said:
I’m sure many people posting in these forums live in the USA. However, I know there are some people posting here who live in other countries.

Every year at election, people in the USA argue about voting for a “pro-choice” person versus a “pro-life” person.

What I would like to know is, do these issues exist in other places such as Europe and Australia? When a candidate is running for office, do they argue about whether the candidate is “pro-choice” or “pro-life?”

Come to think of it, I have heard plenty of conservative Catholics here in the USA state that “pro-choice” politicians shouldn’t be considered Catholic and shouldn’t receive Communion. However, I have never heard of an instance where the Pope refused to give communion to a “pro-choice” Italian official.

Does this issue exist only in the USA, or is it all over the world? I am hoping that posters from other countries will be able to answer this.

In the meantime, I can’t wait until the election is over (no more degrading political commercials to listen to)!
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I know you put the term “pro-choice” in quotes but let’s not use the weasel words - say what it really is, which is pro-abortion or at least the freedom to murder your baby. Thank you.

In other countries, Catholics are not as “cafeteria-style” as some American Catholics. They don’t have our same duality of political parties with one party including unlimited access to abortion in its party platform. There are usually several parties, and just about all of them are more socialist than even our liberal democrats.

But the Catholics of other countries more often take their faith as it is, not picking and choosing and deciding that the Church is wrong on contraception and abortion but rationalizing that they can still remain Catholics.

Mexican Catholics do not support abortion. I know American Democrats think they will gain the Hispanic vote if amnesty eventually goes through, but they might have a big shock coming.
 
LemonAndLime said:
Pssssssst. Our birth rate isn’t 0, nor has it gone down recently. We’re also just as numerous as you Americans.

And if you’re going to say things like that, I could say that Americans are getting easier and easier to find because of their increasing waist size. It’s a fact, but its unnessary and I apologize for it in advance. But I’m proving a point.
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psst
your replacement birth rate is under 2.1 (ours is too if you subtract immigration)
your population is aging like Japan’s.
 
I’d just like to say that we don’t have major socialist parties. What is it with Americans been obsessed with socialism - as if its as worse than their democractic system. There’s never been a true socialist state by the way.

In the UK, all of our parties are pretty much in the centre and are trying to appeal to everyone. Same for many other European countries. Since everyone got the vote, all the parties have been trying to appeal to everyone at once and we’re a mixed bunch over here in the UK at least.
 
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