Pro choice in the bible?

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Mary888 said:
It looks more like a religious ritual that invokes God’s intervention to give up that baby than a medical abortion.
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Absolutely. It’s a ritual where, if nothing happens, it’s meant to smooth things over between husband and wife and let them get on with their family life.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
Rosie’s posts don’t come across to me as being those of a totally uneducated person.
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Rosie has posted to me before that she doesn’t need to learn math and she doesn’t need to learn English and she doesn’t need schooling. She’s proud of her Irish traveler lifestyle in many other threads. And yet, every meme or Facebook post a cousin makes sends her here saying she doesn’t understand. Well being proud of being taken out of school when you are under 8 years old and the fact that your family flouted the mandatory education laws of your country and then wanting people here to explain everything to you are at odds.

Believe me, I’m not a fan of what’s been done to Rosie. I think it’s criminal. But in past posts when I’ve said that perhaps men have an ulterior motive for keeping women in their community uneducated and isolated, that fell in deaf ears.
 
Minks said:
Will you please restate this post?
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It’s a reference to child sacrifice in the ancient world. Moloch was one of the pagan gods who Canaanites sacrificed infants to; Baal and Tanit were two others.

An article on the subject with some contemporary ancient Greek historians commenting on the practice in Carthage.
The final line of evidence came from analysis of bones and teeth found in the urns. In the last few years, experts from a number of Academic institutions examined the contents of over 340 burial urns. Determining the exact age of the infants from the burnt bones is difficult because the heat of the fire degrades, shrinks and warps them. However in most cases, the teeth of the infants survived in better condition. As teeth grow in length, the enamel and dentine grow in thickness at a universal rate. Thus it is possible to determine the age of a baby from the thickness of the enamel and dentine.

What the researchers found is that 67% of the infants were between 1 and 2 months old and that the percentage of infant remains from babies who lived longer is very low. This does not come close to the expected pattern of mortality rates in ancient times. Rather it is strongly suggestive that a particular age group was deliberately selected and that these did not die of natural causes.

Put together the Biblical evidence, the evidence of multiple highly regarded ancient historians, the archeological evidence and the conclusion becomes overwhelming and inescapable. The Canaanites really did practice child sacrifice. Human sacrifice was widespread amongst many cultures in ancient times but infant sacrifice was relatively unknown outside of Canaanite civilization. The deliberate murder of infant children was a pronounced feature of Canaanite religion. The Bible does not exaggerate the crimes of the Canaanites.
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Guest1 said:
And the Mishnah states the practice was stopped. So there is some question of whether this was ever actually used.
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😂😂😂 If the practice was stopped, it necessarily existed, or could not have been stopped—so how could there possibly be a question as to whether the practice was ever used? Sounds to me like an academic type desperate for a thesis topic. 😂
 
I had to back up and check out the reference to “life is not sacred.” Basically, life is sacred because it comes from God, so there are very few circumstances where it can be forfeited— generally involving things like “war” or “crime”. So I was curious as to what their argument was based on.

So the first thing I saw was that it starts in mid-thought, so instead of starting with Deuteronomy 28:18, you need to back up to Deuteronomy 28:15—
However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.
Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.
The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.
The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him.
The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess.
The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish.
The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron.
The LORD will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.
The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth.
Your carcasses will be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and there will be no one to frighten them away.
The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured.
The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind.
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Y’think? If God’s Chosen People rejects him, do you think it goes well for them?

How many times did the Israelites reject him, and how many times did things go badly?

Yeah…

And how much more so for us? Anyone who watches the 6:00 news can see any number of people who are afflicted with madness, blindness, and confusion of mind… 😛

Plus the total non sequitur of whoever wrote the thing in the first place… I’ll stick him in the group of “confusion of mind”-afflicted individuals while I’m at it. 😉
 
Rosie11 said:
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) these are 2 of the books I’ve been reading I’ve also been reading handed down and be hold your mother and Jesus and the Jewish roots of Mary
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It’s my understanding that Larry Richards is Calvinist, so you’re going to be getting a Calvinist slant on many topics discussed in “The Bible Answer Handbook; in other words, many answers are diametrically opposed to Catholicism, if not outright anti-Catholic. I would file that book in the round can.
 
The Jerusalem Bible translates Exodus 21:22-25 as 1. “causing a miscarriage” which is not the same as a premature birth, and 2. as “the death of the pregnant woman.” In the first instance, the punishment is a fine. In the second, death.
 
undead_rat said:
The Jerusalem Bible translates Exodus 21:22-25 as 1. “causing a miscarriage” which is not the same as a premature birth, and 2.
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The Hebrew literally says prematurely comes out, so premature birth would be the most accurate translation of the phrase. Death of the child is clearly not implicated in the phrase your Bible Translation seems to render as “causing a miscarriage.” Therefore, an abortion is clearly not the intended meaning of what is going on here if that is what you were implying. The section which your translation says “death of the pregnant woman” means “to harm” in Hebrew without a direct object stipulating whether it is referring to the mother or the child. So by extension, the punishment that is rendered for the offender seems to be for both mother and child. As to the punishment, if there is no harm that occurs, the defendant is fined as may be decided by the judges. But if harm comes to the child then a reciprocal punishment shall be rendered for the offender. Therefore, if the assault results in death of the child or the mother, the offender will receive capital punishment at the hands of the community. Your Bible translation appears to take a more thought for thought than word for word translation philosophy that may be causing it to insert meaning into the text that might not be appropriate given the actual verbiage.
 
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Pro choice is in the Bible among those who were sacrificing their children to Moloch.
 
Basically, Prochoice people in the bible are the same ones that rape, murder, pillage, sacrifice to pagan gods, etc.
 
TY for your reply, but it would be better addressed to the editors of the Jerusalem Bible.
I merely related what they thought was the best rendering of Exodus 21:22-25.
 
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undead_rat said:
TY for your reply, but it would be better addressed to the editors of the Jerusalem Bible.
I merely related what they thought was the best rendering of Exodus 21:22-25.
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No worries. I wasn’t sure quite what you were getting at, so I was trying to address the linguistic aspects.
 
I have a kindle how do I look up the words on it tho? Is there a YouTube tutorial
 
Oh I didn’t know I bought it at a Catholic book store do I assumed that all the books there were catholic
 
These people like to take fundamentalist scripture positions in support of their position, but when you point out “hey you’re a fundamentalist”, they are somehow shocked.
Hypocrisy.
Atheists do this all the time, and then don’t like when someone points out the obvious: atheists and fundamentalists are sharing the same intellectual bed.
 
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