Pro-Choice?

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The Church has very clearly defined what a human is and isnt. So by the Church’s definition, a fertilized egg (a fetus) is human.
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Which is fine as the church’s definition and you can make a reasonable argument for that case. You can also make a reasonable argument for my case. Hence that’s why I accept abortion and Catholics (at least those following the church’s teachings) don’t.
I believe (correct if wrong) that children are not full citizens until they are 18 in the U.S. and therefore, do not have the right to vote until then.
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correct.
The DNA makes for a very curious predicament. It is theoritcally possible to “create” a “human” from “scratch” using organic compunds. Incredibly complex, far into the future, but possible and interesting. Also curious is that humans are carrying the partial DNA of various viruses with them (I remember reading this somewhere…the book “Genome”?).
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and mitochondria have a distinct genetic code from their host organism.
Maybe we should ask ourselves at what point do we cease to be human.
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An interesting question but answering it does’t automatically answer the other.
 
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lje:
Common people, theologians, scientists, scholars, etc., have spent their entire lives searching, researching, speaking, writing, archiving, meditating, painting, drawing, etc., about religions and about “what it all means”. They all come back to one very simple idea that we all heard in our first Sunday School Classes… “God is Love.”
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Really? Somebody better notify the Buddhists! And the Taoists. Oh yeah and the Shintoists. And Confucianists. And Wiccans. And atheists. And agnostics. And really everyone who isn’t part of the three major monotheistic religions. 'Cause it’d be news to them.
My opinion…
From the above, I’ll never understand how we can construe that it’s OK to destroy anything, much less a fetus.
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You have to destroy in order to live. Eating is an act of destruction. Even the Jains eat vegetables.
 
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chevalier:
She does call it what it is. Tearing a child limb from limb for mother’s convenience is what else than murder?
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Simply removing a tissue. Murder refers to the death of an organism, not a collection of cells.
 
A unborn person not a collection of cells, I know you have seen pictures and have stated you don’t care it is emotionalism, the mother or someone has to feed the baby after he or she is born,so is therefore dependant on another person to continue to live after birth,your argument is null and void.
 
So when does this “tissue” become human? Answer that! Give me a exact time. Like, at conception or at birth…when does this “tissue” become human?

If it isn’t a baby you arn’t pregnant!
 
PS, Fetus is baby in Latin…so when ever you use that term I am going to translate into english because that is what we all speak, baby!
 
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Tlaloc:
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Since human life begins at conception (scientific fact),

Not a fact. It depends on your subjective definition of what constitutes human.
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Saying that “life begins at conception” is a “subjective definition” is wrong. Life either begins at conception or does not; it does not matter how we “feel” about it; it is what it is.

Now, if life does not begin at conception please state the objective facts why it does not.

Saying that someones definition is “subjective” does not help the dialogue.

PS. Why the “god of rain” and not someotherone (like Huitzilopochtli)?

cheers.
 
If its not human its not a baby (fetus in latin) and if its not a baby you are not pregnant. Then what is sex for anyway? Hint: (procreation)
 
Abortion is the most horrid type of holocaust that has ever plagued mankind.
 
Sorry same thing…baby means little whatever in english, for instance if I have a baby cow that is a little cow…thanks for the clarification though 😃
 
Tyler Smedley:
If its not human its not a baby (fetus in latin) and if its not a baby you are not pregnant. Then what is sex for anyway? Hint: (procreation)
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I like how Janet Smith puts it: Sex is for babies and bonding (if you’re married you know about the bonding part 😃 )

Cheers
 
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Tlaloc:
and mitochondria have a distinct genetic code from their host organism.
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Yes, but mitochondria do not have human DNA, they have mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). You are grasping at straws here.
 
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Tlaloc:
The DNA argument breaks down as soon as we consider both transplants and chimeras.
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OK. If you want to be reasonable, you are going to have to make that philosophical leap that all of us made at the age of around 3 years. Transplants, no matter how long they are allowed to develop, will NOT become another human; unless the transplant is another human. Sheeeess!!

Chimeras… well I do not know what to think of them. Abomination!, I guess. The thought makes me sick to my stomach. How ominous the 5th prophecy of Lourdes seems:

“Your Holiness, the Virgin has told me that when the 20th century passes away, with it will pass away the Age of Science. A new Age of Faith will dawn around the world. Proof will come at last that it was Our Lord Who created the world and man, and this will be the beginning of the end for the scientists, in whom the people will cease to believe. Millions will return to Christ, as the numbers of believers swell, the power of the Church will grow as never before. Also causing many to turn their backs on science will be the arrogance of physicians who use their knowledge to create an abomination. These doctors will find the means to combine the essence of a man and the essence of a beast. The people will know in their hearts that this is wrong, but they will be powerless to stop the spawning of such monsters. In the end they will hunt scientists down as ravening wolves are hunted…”
 
well tloc or whatever your name is, if you are Catholic, or christian of any type, Ive got shocking news for you, and maybe a nice surprise to others here. there are even possibly atheists getting to heaven before you or any socalled “prochoice” christian. there is a growing organization called… " atheists for life" !!! I hope to heaven they have the baptism of desire, they are much more deserving of heaven than any “prochoice Catholic”!
 
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aspawloski4th:
well tloc or whatever your name is, if you are Catholic, or christian of any type, Ive got shocking news for you, and maybe a nice surprise to others here. there are even possibly atheists getting to heaven before you or any socalled “prochoice” christian. there is a growing organization called… " atheists for life" !!! I hope to heaven they have the baptism of desire, they are much more deserving of heaven than any “prochoice Catholic”!
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I see you have met Tlaloc:nope: He has that effect on me as well.His ideology is one that is as insideous as the serpent in the garden.Intercession is in order while proclaiming the truth.God Bless
 
Somebody better notify the …
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Yes, that’s our job. We are called to evangelize, so that pretty much means notifying all and sundry of the truth. That’s what we’re doing. That’s why we have to continue making it clear that abortion is wrong.
 
Tlaloc,

In all honesty, you scare the heck out of me. You seem like a loose canon looking for a place to go off. I sure hope you don’t carry a gun! You are obviously having a lot of difficulty living with such torment inside! I’ll pray for you .

Peace be with you.

Mark
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
I see you have met Tlaloc:nope: He has that effect on me as well.His ideology is one that is as insideous as the serpent in the garden.Intercession is in order while proclaiming the truth.God Bless
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Thank you for the post Lisa…you always seem to jump in and reassure me that I am not in “Crazyworld”. My blood pressure is high enough, I really should switch to decaf when reading certain posts.
 
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