Pro-Choice?

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tlaloc seems strangely quiet now. no guts to stand up for the bs he believes in!
 
let’s not pick on tlaloc. he genuinely believes what he says. he is here to share - to discuss the issues - looking probably for someone who can speak his language to make some of the things we believe make sense to him. whether he accepts them or not is another matter.

but let’s treat him with love, dignity, and respect. even if he is our ENEMY (which i posit that he is not), we are under clear orders from our Lord to love him and pray for him.

i mean - go back and read the first post in this thread. we ASKED him to post his views. he did, and is defending them. let’s cut him some slack and reason with him, in a charitable and prayerful manner.
 
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Tlaloc:
Simply removing a tissue. Murder refers to the death of an organism, not a collection of cells.
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Seems false…murder commonly refers to the death of an organism that has already been defined as human. Perhaps, I’m taking TIaloc to literally? Although language changes over time, I don’t see (and wouldn’t agree with) any popular trend to incorperate the killing of other animals into the definition of murder. For us Christian folk, it just doesn’t make any sense becuase murder is a moral issue that only extends to the killing of other humans. And for those of you who don’t believe in a diety, I would suggest not making the downward slope the english (American?) language is taking any steeper.

As far as whether or not an organism that has the potential to become a full grown human adult should be classified as “human”, I’m gonna go with common language. It doesn’t seem like we (in common language anyway) choose to define a child as human because of what they are capable of doing at any specific moment of time (that would make all of us just “collections of cells” doing what cells do, regardless of how complicated the actions of said cells may be). Human infants and chimp infants would be nearly indistinguishable by this definition, and I’ll will continue under the assumption that we agree that humans are not chimpanzees. Rather, we define a child as human because it has the potential to grow into the adult form of our species (and just like all the other organisms on earth - except viruses i suppose, i hear they use RNA - our physical development follows the blueprint of our DNA). Anything with non-human DNA lacks the potential to become human (excluding evolution).
As TIaloc has mentioned before in other posts, he choses to start counting from the moment the child is “seperate” from the mother. That’s too subjective for my personal taste, as it’s DNA gives it the potential to become a fully fledged adult, even before the organism in question can support itself outside of the womb. Whether or not the potential is actualized is seems irrelevant, as you can’t define objects in terms of what they don’t do (it’s unreasonable to define a newborn as blind if it is killed just before it opens its eyes, it’s unreasonable to define something growing into a human as non-human just becuase it hasn’t actualized some other inherant potential it posseses).
So I guess I’m stuck defining any organism with human DNA as human. Darn. In retrospect, I would have saved a lot of time by listening to the Catholic Church, but sometimes it’s good to ask these questions.

-mxyzptlk
p.s. my use of the word organism to describe a human child in no way is meant to be exhaustive…I do believe that humans have intangible parts to (i.e. souls)
 
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**Pro Life Teen
Pro-Choice?
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**Is anyone on this forum truly ‘pro-choice’? (cough pro-murder cough)

And if so, why? Anyone mind sharing their views?**
**** Thank you for starting this thread. I like your forum name, "Pro Life Teen" ,Awesome.👍 **

God Bless!
 
Try Hard this guy can’t be reasoned with, I have tried on other threads and he just won’t listen. Good effort though!
 
Simply removing a tissue. Murder refers to the death of an organism, not a collection of cells.
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What is a collection of living cells non-native to the host organism else than a separate organism?
 
hey thlaloc, Im still waiting for your response to all this! did you give up? you are being hung out to dry here. maybe you finally know the Catholic stance on abortion is the correct stance.
 
Getting back to the original question…I think it’s an important one. As Catholics, our Church provides a very clear teaching on this issue which, coupled with scientific facts, many of us have had the benefit of receiving and adopting with our hearts as well as our intellect.

However, as with many other issues in life, this is one on which people need two things: education and compassion. There are millions of people, perhaps not members of these forums, who sincerely believe that abortion is not the destruction of a human life. They view a fetus, as noted in posts above, as nothing more significant than a mole on the mothers body, which she may remove at her pleasure and discretion with no moral consequence.

The most generous assumption to make is that these people are ignorant…lacking in either education or intellectual capacity. It is incumbant upon those who are educated to explain and teach those who are not.

Once facts and science are well-considered, the Catholic Church also provides a moral framework to further bolster its position that elective abortion is never necessary or morally permissible. Once again there are many who are ignorant of this. There are also a subset of people, who even once apprised of the facts, logic and morality–will choose to reject it. Reasons can include fear, selfishness, stubborness, convenience, laziness, sefl-delusion, etc…

These people deserve our compassion and prayer as well as continual efforts to enlighten them to the truth. This does not include insulting them, threatening them with an eternity in hell, or insinuating that they’re stupid, selfish or evil. Seeing truth, as with coming into the fullness of a faith, takes time–and sometimes a fair amount of life experience. Kindness and compassion within the context of a firm commitment to one’s belief is the only way to open the hearts and minds of those who stubbornly reject the truth.
 
Tyler Smedley:
Try Hard this guy can’t be reasoned with, I have tried on other threads and he just won’t listen. Good effort though!
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Well these guys have a lot to lose. Right now they have their girlfriends by the nose–they get the sex they want and can demand an abortion if she messes up and doesn’t contracept. It could really ruin a guy’s life, you know, tie him down and all that. That’s why those old suffragettes hated abortion, because they knew it would be used by men this way.
 
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