Pro-life candidates are mean people?

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TheAmazingGrace said:
I’m talking about pre-Roe rates.
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Well using the statistics at the time of Roe v Wade, we can guess at what they might have been before the landmark law. Obviously guessing is the best we can do, because of the contentious nature of the issue; you can find pro-abortion organizations that claim Roe v Wade decreased abortions, and you can find anti-abortion organizations that claim Roe v Wade increased them.
TheAmazingGrace said:
chugs down a glass of perfectly legal Merlot as I read this
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Prohibition ended because of a shift in public opinion, not because the law failed to reduce alcohol consumption and the government gave up (as you stated). And please stop responding to my posts in separate halves, and please stop cherry-picking out parts to argue against instead of addressing the whole thing.
 
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BornInMarch said:
Well using the statistics at the time of Roe v Wade, we can guess at what they might have been before the landmark law. Obviously guessing is the best we can do, because of the contentious nature of the issue; you can find pro-abortion organizations that claim Roe v Wade decreased abortions, and you can find anti-abortion organizations that claim Roe v Wade increased them.
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…and the trend over the last thirty years has been a fairly steady decline.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I’ve been around a long time and have seen every excuse under the sun not to speak up for tiny and helpless.
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Then surly you have a compassionate plan to deal with the social issues surrounding the issue? No one here is claiming the unborn should not be spoken up for, but the truth of the matter is in the dirty trenches. On paper abortion is black and white, but that’s not reality. While we are at it, why aren’t we also dealing with the deaths of children (and adults) killed by our entrenched social issues, military actions, geopolitical, and economic interests?
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
…and the trend over the last thirty years has been a fairly steady decline.
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Many argue that the decline is due to states restricting access to abortion, forcing people seeking abortions to see ultrasounds of their babies and wait on the decision, etc.
TheAmazingGrace said:
My format, my choice.
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I bet you think you’re funny by paraphrasing a popular Pro-abortion slogan. A serious discussion about abortions isn’t the place for jokes. The fact that you keep shifting the goalpost, and that you’re being snarky, suggests to me that debating with you further is a waste of my breath and time.

Please don’t bother replying, because I won’t argue about this with you further here. Don’t claim that you “won” because you didn’t change any of my views, and I don’t think you presented a better argument.
 
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PJH_74 said:
Then surly you have a compassionate plan to deal with the social issues surrounding the issue? No one here is claiming the unborn should not be spoken up for, but the truth of the matter is in the dirty trenches. On paper abortion is black and white, but that’s not reality. While we are at it, why aren’t we also dealing with the deaths of children (and adults) killed by our entrenched social issues, military actions, geopolitical, and economic interests?
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You might be interested in Consistent Life Ethic.
 
PJH_74 said:
why aren’t we also dealing with the deaths of children (and adults) killed by our entrenched social issues, military actions, geopolitical, and economic interests?
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We aren’t?
 
PJH_74 said:
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii:
I’ve been around a long time and have seen every excuse under the sun not to speak up for tiny and helpless.
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While we are at it, why aren’t we also dealing with the deaths of children (and adults) killed by our entrenched social issues, military actions, geopolitical, and economic interests?
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Because that would mean raising taxes, and it’s far easier to rally around a single “yes-no” issue.
 
Salmonslayer said:
Citizenship traditionally should be past patrilineally for cultural reasons. Women tend to be assimilated into their spouses culture and traditions.
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I thought a man was supposed to leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife?
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
We aren’t?
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These issues get at best 10% of the bandwidth abortion gets.
on_the_hill said:
Because that would mean raising taxes, and it’s far easier to rally around a single “yes-no” issue.
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It doesn’t always mean raising taxes, indeed projecting our military power costs lots of tax money. Economic interests mean taking into account how our economic clout affects other, especially poorer countries.
 
PJH_74 said:
These issues get at best 10% of the bandwidth abortion gets.
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Erm, no it doesn’t.
As soon as anybody defends the unborn, somebody else leaps up with these very issues (as if somehow abortion can be made okay).
 
Nobody here is saying abortion is ok.

What I (and I think others) say is that angry, vulgar politicians slap a pro-life sticker on their campaign flyers, obstruct help from going to other basic human needs, and get a pass.
 
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