Pro-life candidates are mean people?

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PJH_74 said:
These issues get at best 10% of the bandwidth abortion gets.
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Compared to abortion, how much do you think people are affected by those sorts of tragedies?
on_the_hill said:
What I (and I think others) say is that angry, vulgar politicians slap a pro-life sticker on their campaign flyers, obstruct help from going to other basic human needs, and get a pass.
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Only you but it looks like the rest has been about how making abortion illegal would impact society.
 
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Imagine if it were legal to kill infants in the cradle when trying to understand pro life people. For them there is no difference in personhood between one born and one unborn. How would the world seem to you if it became legal to kill 1 year olds or younger so long as a parent consented?
 
Salmonslayer said:
How so? When Constantine defeated Maxentius, he had to shed blood and kill many of his enemies, and did so under the sign given him by God to fight with. And then he issued the edict of Milan and gave Christians protection under Roman law and we were able to flourish. Had he been a “compassionate” man, history likely would have been different.

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Interesting, and very powerful if he said it. I’ve searched for the original and can find numerous second hand reports but no original citation.

So, in the absence of a citation I’ll have to count this as spurious.

It does seem odd for a Pope to say “kindness is for fools”.

But I did think your comments about Constantine were correct and apt.
 
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Regardless of whether or not Pope Saint Pius X said that, there is truth to the quote. There are times when anger is needed. Sometimes you need to push over the tables of the money-lenders, or pull down the central columns in the temple of the philistines, or sling your rock into the giant’s skull.

God gets angry too. Look at Egypt and Gomorrah, and how they fared when they offended God?
 
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BornInMarch said:
Please don’t bother replying, because I won’t argue about this with you further here. Don’t claim that you “won” because you didn’t change any of my views, and I don’t think you presented a better argument.
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Being awfully bossy there, skipper.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Please provide the source for that quote which would prove that Pius X actually said such a thing. Thanks.
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Edmundus1581 said:
Interesting, and very powerful if he said it. I’ve searched for the original and can find numerous second hand reports but no original citation.

So, in the absence of a citation I’ll have to count this as spurious.

It does seem odd for a Pope to say “kindness is for fools”.
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I decided to track this one down one day, since I found it at odds with what that Pope publicly taught (see for example, E Supremi 13, where he says charity and kindness should be used to combat error) and I found it to be a mishmash of reported quotes (by unnamed individuals) in a book called “Popes in the twentieth century, from Pius X to John XXIII” by an ex-priest, Carlo Falconi (translated from the Italian by Muriel Grindrod).

In general, the author takes a very negative, pretty one-sided approach to Pius X. His citation for these quotes is the report of the Promotor Fidei for his canonization (the “Devil’s Advocate” who gathers and presents the evidence against the canonization), in particular the part of his report on certain aspects of his approach to repressing Modernism included in the report of the Sacred Congregation of Rites (Romana Beatificationis et Canonisationis Servi Dei Pii Papae X: Disquisitio circa quasdam obiectiones modum agendi Servi Dei respicientes in modernismi debellatione)

So if he said it, it looks like it was not considered a good thing to emulate.
 
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Thanks for the work, @Genesis315. Good to know the story behind this, and very interesting too! Amusing to see the “Devil’s Advocate” from his canonisation process being drawn on for alleged quotes!
 
Problem lately on both sides. When did voters get so damn lazy in this country?
 
BornInMarch said:
You seem to assume “people will just go underground and nothing will change”, willfully ignoring that criminal investigations, sting operations, plea bargains, and witnesses are a thing.
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I truly believe this idea of criminalizing the act poses several problems. For one, many Catholics who are now some of the most ardent’ pro-life persons, grieved, sought confession and mercy, found it and are robust speakers on the subject…Would they too be held liable in the aftermath? How far back should one go? Would there be a statute of limitations? All the legal ramifications would need to be thought through…Do we raid “Rachels Vineyard” so to speak and place these young women in a courtroom? Surely that doesn’t convey mercy towards a contrite heart, and THAT is where real change occurs, the change pro-lifers seek.

In a very deep spiritual analogy, I believe even God had a problem with the “law” and ironically He was the One who had given it to HIs people!~ They valued the letter of law and disregarded it’s spirit.

The law is now written on our hearts, praise be to God.
 
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on_the_hill said:
Politicians using vulgarities to mock people, vilifying illegal immigrants, wanting to stomp on the faces of their opponents–these things are not righteous anger.
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I would agree with you. In those circumstances the anger is misplaced at best.
 
I don’t think this observation is true. The pro-life people I know, have all been fairly gentle and kind-hearted. Admittedly, they were virtually all women, but they had a great big place in their hearts for babies, little children, and animals. I don’t see the meanness, I just don’t.
 
on_the_hill said:
The pro-life candidate running for governor in my state presents himself as mean and violent, as a harsh, unforgiving businessman who will do whatever is necessary to win whatever battle he’s in. He seems to pride himself on stomping on anyone who crosses him.
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The bolded part is key.
I suspect many candidates who run for office don’t believe in half the things they say they support. They just want to win.
Sometimes they deliver what they promised but they probably don’t believe it themselves even if that happens.
 
on_the_hill said:
Yet he’s pro-life. What ever happened to compassionate conservatives?
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Are you sure Republicans are pro-life? Or are they using your religion to get your vote?

Consider - is ending birthright citizenship a “pro-life” policy?
Will there be more or less abortions if Trump is able to remove this from the Constitution?
If you were a pregnant undocumented or illegal immigrant, would you risk going to a hospital knowing your child would be taken from you?
Or would it be safer to have an abortion and avoid any contact with the authorities?

I’m sick of conservatives thinking they have the high road. If you vote Republican because you are pro-life, I think you really need to evaluate and educate yourself. Certainly there are true pro-life Republicans.
But many are just tricking you. And pro-choice doesn’t mean you support unfettered abortion. Remember, abortions go down during Democratic administrations.

Many pro-choice people support strong limits on abortion and are compassionate. Liberals seem to care about the poor and unfortunate far more than conservatives do. You tell me - if you are a young single mother and want to keep your baby, are you better with liberal policies or conservative ones?
Think about it. I used to be pro-life too. Until I experiences the real world.
 
How do they respond the any oppositions and critiques (as well as venom) they get from other folks?

Also, to be fair, I don’t think they were referring to grassroots pro-lifers (maybe with some exceptions like protestors) but also to Republican politicians (usually a man but there’s a occasional woman) who aren’t exactly known to be models of kindness, gentleness and compassion. To some folks, including perhaps some well-meaning Catholics, there just seems to be a juxtaposition between the Republican Platform such as being quite tough on undocumented immigrants (which brings up unsavory connotations), hawkishness which comes across as being pro-war, limited government which seems to practically translate into less support for those in need. Also, Republican politicians seem to come across as jerks and perhaps bullies and brutes like the politician OP highlighted or a certain man who was elected an election ago. Let’s me honest, the Republicans on TV don’t seem to be paragons of kindness, gentleness, meekness and compassion.

It’s something I buy into at times and get affected.
 
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LateCatholic said:
Many pro-choice people support strong limits on abortion and are compassionate. Liberals seem to care about the poor and unfortunate far more than conservatives do. You tell me - if you are a young single mother and want to keep your baby, are you better with liberal policies or conservative ones?
Think about it. I used to be pro-life too. Until I experiences the real world.
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I support policies that help a mother to keep her child but abortion being illegal is my priority. No law is kept 100% but there is value in acknowledging that the unborn have a right to not be murdered.
 
ATraveller said:
The bolded part is key.
I suspect many candidates who run for office don’t believe in half the things they say they support. They just want to win.
Sometimes they deliver what they promised but they probably don’t believe it themselves even if that happens.
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By the nature of politics, it’s necessary for a politician to compromise some of their beliefs in order to get elected.
 
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