Pro-Life Catholics, how do you respond to this?

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Steve Scalise, along with Rep. Ann Wagner (R-Mo.) filed a discharge petition for the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act — the bill was earlier blocked for a vote —on April 2 to put pressure on House Democrats to bring the bill for a vote. However, although the bill would need all of the 197 Republicans signatures, it’d also need 21 Democrats, but since, it’s only garnered three of House Democrats support. House leadership (Democrat Pelosi) blocked the vote 25 times).
https://ijr.com/scalise-gop-lawmakers-house-dems-born-alive-act/
 
Erikaspirit16 said:
Yes, that’s certainly an issue. Not everyone is able to “get ahead.” What if you are disabled in some way (mentally or physically)? What if you are–through no fault of your own–relatively uneducated? (A dentist friend once gave me a lecture about those good-for-nothings who didn’t get their degrees, etc. I replied that in the warehouse where I worked in grad school, most of the workers had 8-hour jobs. THEN they came to the warehouse for 5-6 hours more every day. And they were barely scraping by. Exactly when were they supposed to go to school? And exactly how lazy is someone who works 13-14 hours a day six days a week?
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A good K-12 education can take you far. I interpreted your Dentist friend to be speaking of people who haven’t learned the basics.

Not taking advantage of K-12 is partially the responsibility of the individual as well as a product of their family and community. It’s unfortunate when parents don’t support their kids to do their best with this free basic education.
 
Another huge difference is judges, BOTH Supreme Court and District levels. For example, in the ridiculous case below, ALL FOUR Supreme Court Judges appointed by Democrat Presidents, amazingly, voted against life, freedom and religious liberty. Most times you hear about an odd case ruling on the Circuit level (often the Left-leaning 9th Circuit), you’ll find that the Judge was nominated by a Democrat.
The Supreme Court heard oral arguments earlier this year in National Institute of Family and Life Advocates v. Becerra, a lawsuit brought by pregnancy centers that don’t want to be compelled to advertise abortions.They say the California Reproductive FACT Act violates the free speech clause in the First Amendment.
Today, the nation’s highest court struck down the law, saying it “likely violates the First Amendment.” Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the opinion for the 5-4 majority in which Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Kennedy, Alito and Gorsuch joined. The four abortion advocates, Justices Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Kagan ruled that pregnancy centers can be forced to promote abortions.

 
In addition to those several other examples I’ve already stated, here are more examples of where pro-lifers are generally better than pro-choicers, even on non-abortion-related issues:
  • pro-lifers are more likely to support the police, law, and order.
  • the more pro-life Judges on all levels are more likely to rule in favor of religious freedom, free speech, national sovereignty, the right to choose your own private health insurance, and the Constitution
  • conscience protection regarding participating in abortion and in ability for Catholic organizations to hire only those who support similar beliefs and the organization’s mission
  • protection against being forced to participate or to contribute to non-traditional ceremonies that go against the Catholic Doctrine
  • free speech
  • The fact that President Trump might be the most ACTIVELY pro-life President in American history.
  • All 50 Senate Republicans present voted in favor of the Born-Alive Protection Bill, while only 3 out of 47 Democrats voted to protect babies BORN from botched abortions
  • At the state levels, Democrat Governors from Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Montana rejected Born-Alive efforts, while Democrat controlled legislatures in New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, and Vermont recently passed abortion-to-birth laws. On the other hand, Republican Governors in Georgia and Kentucky recently signed pro-life laws
 
Typical “lifeboat” emotional plea. (ie what if you were on a lifeboat that could only hold ten and there were eleven on board, who should be sacrificed?)

Be advised, the abortion issue is watershed to the resulting negative consequences which result in poverty, despair, selfishness, crime, wickedness and so on.

Abortion is not the only public issue but it remains at the top where most other issues fall opposite one another. This is not to say that a “law bill” or a “candidate” can universally be decided by its position on abortion however “abortion” is a very good place to start for making a decision.

Do not be deceived, the primary basis towards abortion are the shame of the conception and/ or the inconvenience of the child. Both are selfish and goes to the sinfulness of the human heart, we will murder just because another human causes a trivial intrusion, such is the pathetic narcissism of man.
 
Correct. An unusually high percentage of Planned Parenthood facilities are located in cities with high minority populations. And, no, Planned Parenthood does NOT perform mammograms, as LIVEACTION.org uncovered.
And, of course, the founder of Planned Parenthood was a white supremacist.
 
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Thanks for continuing discussion on this topic, because it’s an important one.
So why do abortion providers avoid showing ultrasound images to women? Perhaps this is because up to 78% of women to see an ultrasound of their babies choose not to have abortions.
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As I said this is factually wrong, yet you ignore my correction and simply repeat falsehoods. The gain is only 2.5% from showing ultrasounds, not 78%. The 78% figure applies to women who were already undecided when they came in. So don’t misrepresent data to make a point, even if that point is a good one. You lose credibility.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
The 78% figure applies to women who were already undecided when they came in. So don’t misrepresent data to make a point, even if that point is a good one. You lose credibility.
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I didn’t recall you making this distinction yourself.
If I missed something, please let me know.
 
There are cases , such as a pre eclampsia condition or medical emergencies where a premature delivery is necessary to SAVE possibly mother and or child or both . These are NOT done in an abortion clinic but in a hospital intent on SAVING life .
The abortion pushers strive to lump emergencies with elective abortion .
In some cases a baby born early might not survive ,but then would also not survive in the womb of a deceased mother either .
It is not the same as deliberately getting rid of a preborn child on purpose .
 
Of course abortion isn’t the only issue, it’s just the most important issue. The chances are that if a pol is against abortion they his head is probably screwed on straight on other issues. If they treat life as sacred most likely they will always protect life.
 
Okay- so I will say this as a perspective of someone who may have been aborted due to my genetic disability. My parents are very loving and they said “I would not have aborted you if we knew.”
I have a recessively inherited mutation from my parents. This caused a rare form of muscular dystrophy.

Let’s say that someone has voted on the abortion issue ONLY, but not on others. A person like myself- even if mobile- may require social services and resources for disability accesses to buses, etc. That alone can throw me under the bus.

However, that is why we have the opposition parties and NGOs to speak against any unfair systems of a dominant party which is in power. For example, if the systems of a dominant party who disapproves of abortion but refuses to provide services to people with disabilities, other NGOs and opposition parties may interfere with this matter and allow the services to happen.

Parliament in any country is, from my viewpoint, operates with cooperation and collaboration. We must pray for all parliaments to provide services to all individuals who are marginalized. We must pray for fair collaboration and cooperation between all parties of the government. However, we must not let innocent lives be killed because they have a genetic defect or for other reasons. We must work to provide them with sufficient resources as well as treat them with care and compassion.
 
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