Pro-Life Leader Says Newspaper Misleads Catholic Voters on Pro-Abortion Pols

[estesbob]

Trenton, NJ (LifeNews.com) – A pro-life Catholic leader says a New Jersey newspaper is misleading Catholic voters on the importantance of not supporting candidates who back abortion. The Trenton Times claims single issue voting based on abortion is passe this election cycle and quotes a priest who misleads its readers.

“If you think you know how the Catholic Church in the United States wants its members to vote in the presidential election this year, think again,” the Times proclaims in a Wednesday article.
“Single-issue voting, like simply choosing the anti-abortion candidate, is out,” it contends.

The Times quotes Rev. Ronald J. Cioffi, director of the Office of Social Concerns for the Diocese of Trenton to make its case

lifenews.com/state3421.html

 

[estesbob]

In discussing this that I would appreciate an addiction to no candidates being mentioned that we do not talk about political parties.

This topic has been on my mind since I spent last week with my mother and all my siblings , all of whom are devout Catholics and all of whom invariably vote for pro-abortion canidates

 

[KathleenElsie]

At one time, prior to 1968, a Catholic priest would never have told his parish or even strangers that voting for evil was ok. Yet for the past 40 years this is what has happened. Not just in the USA but through out the whole world.

IMHO. If the voting public, not just Catholics, were to be well informed as to the time line of the destruction of society they could easily follow it back to “dissident” teaching on the part of many trusted priests.

 

[fix]

Trenton, NJ (LifeNews.com) – A pro-life Catholic leader says a New Jersey newspaper is misleading Catholic voters on the importantance of not supporting candidates who back abortion. The Trenton Times claims single issue voting based on abortion is passe this election cycle and quotes a priest who misleads its readers.

I hope the NJ article has the facts all wrong. It is hard to explain otherwise.

 

[Catholictrain]

I hope the NJ article has the facts all wrong. It is hard to explain otherwise.

Imagine this scenario. A group of people are gathered together on a hill. They are praying to a loving God. As they pray, in the valley below, a bunch of 8 year old children that are shackled and beaten are systematically murdered before the eyes of all those gathered to pray on the hill with full consent of the government. Imagine this happens day and night, week after week, month after month. Then imagine the leader of this prayer group standing up and stating: “Oh, we must not just look at the murder of those 8 yr old children down there when selecting the next elected official. We have to look at all the issues, because none are really more important than any other.”

What man or woman standing on top of the hill watching the slaughter continue would allow the leader of this group spout such nonsense? We MUST stand up against those who trivialize the horror of abortion.

No other issue is worth talking about… if the murder of innocents is still continuing.

 

[fix]

Imagine this scenario. A group of people are gathered together on a hill. They are praying to a loving God. As they pray, in the valley below, a bunch of 8 year old children that are shackled and beaten are systematically murdered before the eyes of all those gathered to pray on the hill with full consent of the government. Imagine this happens day and night, week after week, month after month. Then imagine the leader of this prayer group standing up and stating: “Oh, we must not just look at the murder of those 8 yr old children down there when selecting the next elected official. We have to look at all the issues, because none are really more important than any other.”

What man or woman standing on top of the hill watching the slaughter continue would allow the leader of this group spout such nonsense? We MUST stand up against those who trivialize the horror of abortion.

No other issue is worth talking about… if the murder of innocents is still continuing.

Yep, a fair point. I hope that newspaper just got it all wrong.

 

[JMBNH]

How are you going to vote for an American party that bans abortion when both support its legalisation and fund it? It’s a bit much to expect people to vote Republican just because they’re very slightly less pro-abortion but the rest of their policies are horrific (not that the Democrats are much better)

 

[Biggie]

How are you going to vote for an American party that bans abortion when both support its legalisation and fund it? It’s a bit much to expect people to vote Republican just because they’re very slightly less pro-abortion but the rest of their policies are horrific (not that the Democrats are much better)

Support for abortion is enshrined in the party platform of one party and support for life is in the other party platform. It is also easy to learn the position of individual candidates toward abortion. Where’s the confusion?

 

[Dale_M]

Support for abortion is enshrined in the party platform of one party and support for life is in the other party platform.

An old political saying is that platforms are to run on, not to stand on. Just because a party says it is against abortion doesn’t mean that one of its politicians will try to restrict abortion once elected.

 

[Bella3502]

Support for abortion is enshrined in the party platform of one party and support for life is in the other party platform. It is also easy to learn the position of individual candidates toward abortion. Where’s the confusion?

Catholic Republican women obtain abortions just like all other women who may be poor, or Democrat. They just don’t have to go to Planned Parenthood or any other low income medical clinic. The Republican party “platform” is for show only. No one takes it seriously except for some posters on these forums. Bush has done nothing in 8 years. And please don’t mention Partial birth abortions. Most women do NOT have them. Republicans have done nothing in this area, and will continue to do so in the future.

 

[KathleenElsie]

James 4:17

SO FOR ONE WHO KNOWS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND DOES NOT DO IT, IT IS A SIN.

Catholic and non-Catholic alike know this is true. Murder brings the blood of the innocent onto the hands of those that allow it. All murder is wrong. But when it is thousands per day and we turn a blind eye to it how can we not expect those wronged to cry out to GOD?

The death penalty is wrong in many cases unless it can be proven that the innocent can not be made safe from the offender. But there are not thousands that die of the death penalty daily. Yet some people put the people on death row as their first priority. It can be a priority yes, just not over the thousands of babies murdered daily IMHO.

We as a world can feed the hungry if we so desire. Feeding the hungry is a good thing and something that society and those of faith should address. Murdering the babies is no way to feed the hungry and is used as an excuse to not support the unborn. IMHO it can not come before the death of thousands of children in utero.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Catholic Republican women obtain abortions just like all other women who may be poor, or Democrat. They just don’t have to go to Planned Parenthood or any other low income medical clinic. The Republican party “platform” is for show only. No one takes it seriously except for some posters on these forums. Bush has done nothing in 8 years. And please don’t mention Partial birth abortions. Most women do NOT have them. Republicans have done nothing in this area, and will continue to do so in the future.

And so you don’t count the thousands that stand in front of the death clinics all over the world as people that care?

Pro life Supreme Court Justices don’t count I guess? Since you can’t fire them you need to wit till they die or retire to replace them. The next elected president of the USA has the possibility of a couple in his first term. So I want them to be pro life, as in “Life, Liberty and…”

 

[Feedmysheep]

And please don’t mention Partial birth abortions. Most women do NOT have them.

Most women don’t sell their bodies to men for profit, yet it’s still evil.

Most women don’t drown all their children in a bathtub, yet it’s still evil.

Most women don’t pump their bodies full of illegal drugs, yet it’s still…well, I think you get my drift.

Simply because MOST women don’t engage in some horrific act doesn’t make it any less horrifying.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

I LOVE this quote from Fr. Pavone in the article:

“The first requirement of a public servant is to be able to tell the difference between serving the public and killing the public. And voters need to be able to tell the difference, too,”

 

[KathleenElsie]

Most women don’t sell their bodies to men for profit, yet it’s still evil.

Most women don’t drown all their children in a bathtub, yet it’s still evil.

Most women don’t pump their bodies full of illegal drugs, yet it’s still…well, I think you get my drift.

Simply because MOST women don’t engage in some horrific act doesn’t make it any less horrifying.

 

[Biggie]

An old political saying is that platforms are to run on, not to stand on. Just because a party says it is against abortion doesn’t mean that one of its politicians will try to restrict abortion once elected.

If a party declares that it supports abortion rights, and members of the party run under that banner, again, where’s the confusion. Seems simple to me, and I think all the effort to complicate something that is obvious is just a means of having it both ways. Politically, fine but morally, no. The Catholic politicians running under that premise are the problem. It is they who are propping up the abortion state. Be either hot or cold - we know what happens to the lukewarm.

 

[Biggie]

Catholic Republican women obtain abortions just like all other women who may be poor, or Democrat. They just don’t have to go to Planned Parenthood or any other low income medical clinic. The Republican party “platform” is for show only. No one takes it seriously except for some posters on these forums. Bush has done nothing in 8 years. And please don’t mention Partial birth abortions. Most women do NOT have them. Republicans have done nothing in this area, and will continue to do so in the future.

No clue what bearing the first two sentences have on any logical argument. Republican politicians are the only public voice against abortion rights on a national level. The Democratic Party has effectively silenced its members (remember Casey?). No one can doubt that as of now one party represents abortion interests and the other does not. Naral, Planned Parenthood and the rest are pretty sure who to support. Don’t see alot of confusion there. The opposition ought to be just as clear how to counter them or there will be mounting pressure on the Republican Party to remove right to life from the platform. As for partial birth abortions, born alive homicides, hey, it’s your slippery slope, not mine.

 

[Dale_M]

If a party declares that it supports abortion rights, and members of the party run under that banner, again, where’s the confusion. Seems simple to me

Don’t be satisfied with a big bowl of nothing. A party can give lip service to reducing abortion, but if they don’t actually do anything to reduce anything their words are worthless. Lukewarm? Yep, I’d say the party which says they will do something but never bothers to do it is pretty lukewarm.

We need to ask each candidate to take a stand: what will he do to reduce abortions?

 

[Biggie]

Don’t be satisfied with a big bowl of nothing. A party can give lip service to reducing abortion, but if they don’t actually do anything to reduce anything their words are worthless. Lukewarm? Yep, I’d say the party which says they will do something but never bothers to do it is pretty lukewarm.

We need to ask each candidate to take a stand: what will he do to reduce abortions?

I am simply sick to my stomach talking to and hearing from Democratic politicians who will take no stand vis a vis abortion within the party, but who will answer all the prolife issues correctly. To me, it’s rope a dope. No, I’ll not vote for any member of a party that officially sanctions abortion in its manifest where an option exists. That would also apply to the Republican Party were the party platform to change. But as of today …I’ll go the opposite direction of Naral, Planned Parenthood, NOW, etc. They seem to know where the bread is buttered.

 

[Dale_M]

I agree with you on Democratic politicians who support abortion, but I don’t think we should give Republican politicians a free pass. We need to make sure they will do something and not simply say something. We need to hold them accountable.