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Worthy5
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Now CW, you know we cannot talk about law or what is legal or illegal on here. LOL
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CWBetts
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I can see you are done adding anything constructive. Why don’t you go pray to the constitution
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Christopher68
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I understand morality just fine. You lack understanding of what happens when morality and government collide, and based on your comments, I doubt that you ever will.
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CWBetts
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What is with the personal insults? Don’t like it when someone criticizes you for turning a blind eye to an intrinsic evil?
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Christopher68
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gakroeger,
My hunch is that the assumptions you made on post 846 are correct. I suspect that almost all pro-choice people will say - yes - that is how I view the issue. And I suspect that there will no reluctance or hesitation in their answer.
My apologies for contributing to the many ‘legal’ posts that you are trying to mitigate. It just seems that this topic has a natural tendency to gravitate back to the legal aspects of the issue.
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Christopher68
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I’m not trying to be insulting. However, nothing in your replies to me - or to Worthy5 - have addressed the realities of government. I understand your point on the morality of the issue itself - that is not what I am questioning. But now what? If you would, please tell me how ‘your’ version of law enforcement would address this issue? Keep in that whatever your best intentions are, it is not ‘you’ who will be writing the laws, it is not ‘you’ who will be enforcing the laws, and when the laws are challenged in court, it is not ‘you’ who will be determining the legal outcome. Also keep in mind that approximately 50% of the population will view the laws as complete bunk and do their utmost to circumvent them. And to your earlier comment, laws do ‘not’ change hearts and minds when they are not universally viewed as correct. As I’ve suggested several times in this thread - the best course of action is to change hearts and minds - and that is something that government has shown no proof of being able to accomplish.
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Worthy5
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Thanks CW I will. I have a copy of the Constitution right here with me. I hold to it tight because it is that document that ensures that I can exercise my religion without persecution. Perhaps you forget, that catholics are a minority in this country. Your darn right I will keep a good grip on the Constitution.
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CWBetts
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The government overstepped its bounds by striking down laws. Pro-Choice “Catholics” really burn my buttons. By not trying to get the laws changed, they show that they either support abortion, or lack the moral courage to do something about it.
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CWBetts
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Trust in God, not a piece of paper.Thanks CW I will. I have a copy of the Constitution right here with me. I hold to it tight because it is that document that ensures that I can exercise my religion without persecution. Perhaps you forget, that catholics are a minority in this country. Your darn right I will keep a good grip on the Constitution.
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Caramel
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Uh, the “moderator” is invisible. But it’s there!!Come now Caramel, we have been through this before. Did I see moderator after your name?
Gakroeger, the OP, wants to bring in " the immorality of unwed sex" is that on topic enough for you.
I am somewhat confused because I thought biology would be OK and would help bolster my position. I can only debate what I know or have a strong opinion on - and that is biology and research psychology. I honestly don’t know what to discuss anymore.
That’s when I go to the Pet Peeves thread where, although I’m not a moderator I am the OP. So there!!I think I will be the one to start a new thread. But it won’t be about law - it will be about biology. And I need to check on my references because Wi11ow is disputing them and it’s hard to get references even with google and I can’t find her post because when I’m looking for it I tend to read other posts and reply to them.
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Caramel
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This is off-topic. I have a quote by GW Bush where he says something like “Will you quit waving the Constitution around? It’s just a (*&$ piece of paper!!”Thanks CW I will. I have a copy of the Constitution right here with me. I hold to it tight because it is that document that ensures that I can exercise my religion without persecution. Perhaps you forget, that catholics are a minority in this country. Your darn right I will keep a good grip on the Constitution.
I wasn’t surprised that he had that attitude.
OK, off-topic, I promise I’ll stop now.
But, really why don’t you post a thread about the law and abortion??
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Christopher68
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Me too! The Constitution is a safeguard for Catholics in the USA.Thanks CW I will. I have a copy of the Constitution right here with me. I hold to it tight because it is that document that ensures that I can exercise my religion without persecution. Perhaps you forget, that catholics are a minority in this country. Your darn right I will keep a good grip on the Constitution.
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CWBetts
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Until it is no longer in effect…it hubris to think that the US will never pass into the dustbin of history
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Worthy5
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I wasn’t surprised that he had that attitude.
Caramel, I disagree that it is off topic for reasons stated sometime ago. And I do not care what GW Bush has to say, not that I believe he said that anyway.
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Worthy5
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CW…you are really starting to worry me. LOL
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Caramel
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I apologize that I haven’t been able to read all the posts but what would you have us do?? I think you are right about changing hearts and minds but what is the best way to do that? How do we convince a woman who is going into a clinic to have an abortion to not take that course of action? Do we stand in front of the abortion clinic and say the rosary? Honestly, when I hear about things like that (and it was done in my town a few weeks ago) I think nonCatholics laugh and say things like, “Oh you know those dumb little Catholics and their rosaries…they always have to walk around making the Sign of the Cross and jingling their rosary beads.” I know that rosaries help but I question making a public display of it.
Do we walk around with pictures of aborted babies on picket signs? I wonder about the little kids who see those pictures and have nightmares.
Do we provide counseling for those who are considering abortion? Now here is something that I see having very positive results. My sister lives in a fairly large city where there is a Planned Parenthood clinic in a strip mall. There is also a counseling center there and over the years it has managed to move closer to the PP clinic and is now right next door. Inside the counseling center are rows and rows of photos of babies that were supposed to be aborted but were saved because their mothers decided to take a chance and checked out the counseling center.
My church has “baby showers” where we all meet and donate new/used clothing and supplies for babies. It is actually fun and therapeutic for me because I can go to Fred Meyer (our only department store) and buy the baby and toddler clothes I wanted to buy for my daughter but never could. They always have nice clothes on sale so it costs very little.
I also donate to the Women’s Center in town. It’s hard to be pregnant and poor and maybe it helps the mother who feels she has to choose between household items and clothes for herself versus items that her newborn or toddler might need.
Oh, and then there is Habitat for Humanity which is, if I am not mistaken, administered at least partially by the Catholic Church here. I’m still waiting for my little HH stuffed bear. Here there is a man who builds birdhouses and donates the money he makes to Habitat for Humanity. And there is a retail store run by a Catholic woman who sells the birdhouses, too. It helps to have a place to live.
Do you have any other suggestions? I really apologize if I have not found them and I know this is somewhat off-topic but I feel that now it’s getting down to actions. We can’t just “talk the talk”, we have to “walk the walk”, too.
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CWBetts
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I worry you because I remind you that all empires fall?
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Supercatholic
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My analogy was not to perpetuate the issue of law. It was to cleary display the always crumbling, foolish stance pro-choicers wearing pro-life masks use.
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Christopher68
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You sound quite active, and I applaud your efforts.
My church has an organization that provides support for low-income expectant mothers, who no doubt are overwhelmed by the joys and strains of pending motherhood.
Also, I am not familiar with all of the procedures involved in adoption, but I understand it is quite invasive for those parents trying to adopt. While I realize that some safeguards need to be in place, I have no doubt that much can be done to make adoption easier for couples.
Also perhaps counseling anyone you may know who may be considering abortion as a viable option. I don’t have any ‘real world’ experiences to share in this regard, as to my knowledge there is no one in my family who has an abortion. In fact, I don’t personally know anyone who has told me they have had one.
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Worthy5
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No, everything comes to an end. But that you seem to have little regard for the Constitution of the United States. LOL
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