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What do yoy say to women who feel the government should have no say over their bodies I don,t want to get in a heated discussion, just explain life belongs to God.
 
I ask what they plan to do when “equality” means they are subject to military conscription.

See how much “say” the government has over their bodies then.
 
Ask them about what gave them that right… and what gives them them the right to take the life of their unborn child.
 
rockypoint said:
What do yoy say to women who feel the government should have no say over their bodies I don,t want to get in a heated discussion, just explain life belongs to God.
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Well, since I’m pro-life for logical reasons, not religious, I may say something like this:

“You are right in saying that your body does not belong to the government, but you are wrong in saying it is purely your body. When someone (or something) occupies your body, it is no longer yours. You certainly have the *right *to get rid of that embryo, but do you have the *decency *as a human?”

That’s a secular response, right there. :yup:

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
 
I just say their rights over their bodies are like their rights over everything else that is theirs – limited to decisions that don’t have extreme or unfair effects on other people.
 
I think the poster above hit the nail on the head: Either by God or Darwin, depending on your persuasion, the female body no longer belongs to one person anymore; by God or nature, it acts as a host to support two lives. If the woman wants to exercise body sovereignty, she can do it before she becomes pregnant. She can behave responsibly; and, for that matter, so can the male.
 
rockypoint said:
What do yoy say to women who feel the government should have no say over their bodies I don,t want to get in a heated discussion, just explain life belongs to God.
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There have been abortions for thousands of years. The best we can really expect is that the government will stop funding abortion anywhere and penalize those who perform abortions.
 
And who said we even own our bodies? We’re not exactly born with the deed!

But essentially, it is her body, until she’s pregnant, then once she spreads her leg at the clinic, its someone else’s body getting torn to shreds and sucked down a tube.

Of course, equally gets me - a man kills a bunch of kids he’s sent to the needle, a woman does the same thing and its “Oh its post natal depression” or “you can’t kill her, she’s a woman!”

Seems to me feminazis only want the good parts of equally - you know, being able to slaughter their unborn children, and not the bad.

But with the whole “keep the government out of my business” shenanigans - if they want the government to stay out of their decision to abort, then they better not ask for the govt. to pay for it! I hear Obama wants to increase funding for this! Its what inserts horrible length of profantities about New Zealand - abortions are free! Tax payers fork out to kill our next generation! It sickens me to no end to think some of my money is being used to tear apart children and wound women.
 
Oh, and I find when dealing with “christain” pro-choice to kill unborn children, the scriptural example of “You are not your own property you were bought and paid for by the blood of the saviour” and “and when we die we shall return to the earth our borrowed forms and to God our souls, for He owns all” - I forget where those passages are off the top of my head. But it tends to shut them up.
 
survive said:
I just say their rights over their bodies are like their rights over everything else that is theirs – limited to decisions that don’t have extreme or unfair effects on other people.
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👍 Dittos.
 
Like they say, you have the right to swing your fist, but that right ends when it hits me.
 
vera_dicere said:
And who said we even own our bodies? We’re not exactly born with the deed!

But essentially, it is her body, until she’s pregnant, then once she spreads her leg at the clinic, its someone else’s body getting torn to shreds and sucked down a tube.

Of course, equally gets me - a man kills a bunch of kids he’s sent to the needle, a woman does the same thing and its “Oh its post natal depression” or “you can’t kill her, she’s a woman!”

Seems to me feminazis only want the good parts of equally - you know, being able to slaughter their unborn children, and not the bad.
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You know, I consider the real feminist position (the position that really supports women) to be a stance that takes differences into account to help us all and prevent exploitation of anyone, not one that denies differences. A woman gets post-natal depression from many causes, one being exhaustion and another being no companion to help her with the baby. Imagine, not having to have our babies all alone. That way, we wouldn’t be in a mentally depleted state and hallucinating alone with a helpless new baby. Maybe there could be people around us who love our children too and help care for them while we rest. We could call it a family. And how about this – a man gets parental leave on the same basis as a woman? Why? Is he pregnant too? A woman ought to get a month’s pregnancy leave and a month’s postnatal leave, to rest and arrange child care. A man ought to get parental leave only if he has a reason, such as if his wife ran off and left him with the baby and he needs a couple of months to learn how to care for the baby. Why are women going back to work the day after giving birth? Who does that help? I’m digressing, btu it’s all part of the same swirl of cultural ridiculousness to me.
 
The original feminists were disgusted by abortion.

“Abortion is a disgusting and degrading crime.” - Elizabeth Cady Stanton.

From a psychological standpoint, I think I understand why many modern feminists are pro-abortion.
 
Neolithic said:
The original feminists were disgusted by abortion.

“Abortion is a disgusting and degrading crime.” - Elizabeth Cady Stanton.

From a psychological standpoint, I think I understand why many modern feminists are pro-abortion.
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I used to be one. Back then, we were so afraid of pregnancy and birth as sources of terrifying peril to a woman’s health, we thought only the pregnant woman knows how to assess such danger, and therefore she is the only one who knows whether she needs to abort to save her life or prevent terrible damage. But now we know if anything the late stages of pregnancy are good for most women’s health. Not a reason to get pregnant if you don’t want to, but enough to put to rest a self-defense argument.
We thought it was embarrassing and weird to have children, and that it was hard to find adoptive parents. But I learned that there are lots of adoptive parents. Even if no abortions, miscarriages or neonatal deaths happened in America for ten years, and all adoptable children were efficiently matched and sent to parents, there would be more leftover parents than ones who got children. Many thousands will take any child, and of the few who have preferences, the preferences vary, so every child is wanted many times over.
We assumed the things worth doing could not be done while a single parent and that marriage would be a nightmare, the end of life. But then I noticed that countless women I knew had been single mothers and done a passable job while achieving a broad range of goals. Those who married also accomplished a lot and ahd interesting lives.
We were afraid of overpopulation and the thought that the world would be better off without our children. But it wouldn’t. We figured unwanted babies starved to death anyway. But they don’t. We thought most abortions would happen even if it were illegal and would be lethal to the mothers. But in fact outlawing abortion under modern conditions with ultrasound and adoption agencies and middle schools, high schools and colleges with child care centers, really does eliminate nearly all abortions. The combination of knowing society takes it seriously, knowing it’s really the killing of a human baby, and knowing you don’t have to do it, is the hat trick that stops almost all abortions.
We feared that being a birthmother meant being a certian type of woman with a certain style, which wasn’t our style. But birth mothers are as diverse as everyone else.
But since we had those emotionally intense beliefs, we defended abortion with arguments and phony facts to hold off the things we really feared.
I went through several stages in coming to my staunch position for life, and the first was being pregnant, and feeling I wasn’t alone even before the test confirmed it. There were many over the years between 1991 and 2006. The last thing that had to hit me before I understood how important it is was that it’s a truly slippery slope. When the unborn can be killed up the three months, then six, then nine, next comes twelve, fifteen, twenty-four, and then up to school-age, and then adulthood. Meanwhile the elderly are under consideration for euthanasia. Who is next? Is anyone safe? Maybe the age-based devaluing of life is only Part One. The next grounds could be “mental health” in the old Soviet sense fo the term, for all we know.
 
I know it doesn’t account for much.But, I am very grateful that I am not a woman. It must be very tough on you guys,…er,…I mean gals:p

I would think that a true feminist would embrace giving birth. Only women can do it. It is a beautiful gift.

I am saddened by Obama’s decision to go ahead with that confounded FOCA thing.
 
Personally, I believe many women are pro-choice because their kind has been objectified and treated as inferior by men for so long, that they, subconsciously, need to be powerful over someone (i.e., the baby). Unless the woman is naturally submissive - which is rare - or has a strong, religious conviction, chances are she will be either pro-choice or completely indifferent.

After 30 years of examining and treating thousands of women, this is the conclusion I have come to.
 
rockypoint said:
What do yoy say to women who feel the government should have no say over their bodies
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I tell them to join reality… the government does have control over their bodies… If you murder someone you go to jail, or in some cases are exucuted, how is that any less of a control oveer your body then pregnancy?

Its a typical red herring that plagues this debate, making the argument for abortion a subjective emotional minefield… The argument of abortion has (should have) nothing to do with the control the government has over your body… The government exercises implicit control over all of our bodies through hundreds of laws we obey on a daily basis…
 
mark_a said:
There have been abortions for thousands of years. The best we can really expect is that the government will stop funding abortion anywhere and penalize those who perform abortions.
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mark,
Abortion is another word for killing a human in the womb.
America just voted for a pres. that okay’s this killing of babies in the womb.
Do you think God may withdraw his blessings from America?
Lets see what happens.

jean8
 
jean8 said:
mark,
Abortion is another word for killing a human in the womb.
America just voted for a pres. that okay’s this killing of babies in the womb.
Do you think God may withdraw his blessings from America?
Lets see what happens.

jean8
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When you ‘abort’ something, it is usually, “Oh,no! I better stop! This is not going to work!” It implies that one made an error. I know that birth-control is not condoned by the Church. But, it seems to be the lesser of two evils. I would rather go to confession saying I used a condom, than to say My wife or girlfriend wants to kill our baby.
 
survive said:
You know, I consider the real feminist position (the position that really supports women) to be a stance that takes differences into account to help us all and prevent exploitation of anyone, not one that denies differences.
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Completely agree with you. That’s why I used the term feminazi. I consider myself a Feminist, a Pro-Life Feminist - like our founding mothers!
And how about this – a man gets parental leave on the same basis as a woman? Why? Is he pregnant too? A woman ought to get a month’s pregnancy leave and a month’s postnatal leave, to rest and arrange child care. A man ought to get parental leave only if he has a reason, such as if his wife ran off and left him with the baby and he needs a couple of months to learn how to care for the baby. Why are women going back to work the day after giving birth? Who does that help? I’m digressing, btu it’s all part of the same swirl of cultural ridiculousness to me.
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In NZL men can get paternal leave, but if he and the mother work at the same company they can’t have it at the same time. I think its a good idea, as it gives the child an opportunity to bond further with daddy, gives the mummy a rest, and strengthens the family unit. Further, in NZL you can get quite a lengthy chunk of maternity leave, I think about 6 months, plus, you get a subsidy from the govt. Mum and Dad are both able to get it, and you can even get it for adoption, if grandparents end up with their deadbeat children’s kids, and a few other options.

As much as I can’t stand NZL’s govt funding abortions (and a few other things) I have to admit we’ve got it pretty sweet when it comes to such things.

Women also get free maternity care, and can choose whether they want a midwife, ob/gyn or GP for their lead maternity carer. Which is what gets me about America - the “feminazis” harp on about women’s rights and how better off they are then 100 years ago and what not, but really, sounds like you have an awful time trying to afford children and getting time off work to benefit baby.

All American women seem to have is a pile of dead babies and a sack load of emotional scars to show for their “freedom”.
 
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