Pro-Potter or Anti-Potter?

[Keikiolu]

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Originally Posted by Keikiolu forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
*I have no problem with someone who finds me not credible.

I have a problem with someone who finds my non-credibility a REASON to purposefully accept the opposite of my opinion in another matter entirely.

In other words: I dislike strawberries. You find my reason for disliking strawberries “not credible”. I also state I don’t like vanilla. Because you find me in-credible you conclude that you like vanilla.

How I feel about strawberries has no bearing on what you should think about vanilla in the least.*

Apples and oranges. Now you’re talking about matters of personal taste. An equivalent vis-a-vis the Harry Potter novels would be one person saying ‘I love them, JK Rowling is a master storyteller’ and another person saying ‘They’re dreadfully written, poorly developed stories–I loathe them’. Both are opinions that are based on personal preferences not rational thought (same with the strawberry and vanilla).

The fact is that by sacrificing credibility with the Harry Potter novels, the best you can hope for is that some person undecided about the Golden Compass will consider your opinions irrelevant. As I stated before: It’s not to say that they are wrong about the Golden Compass, just that the credibility isn’t there because of the previous dishonesty. Integrity is hard to regain once lost.

The thing is, Mel, that I never HAD any credibility with you because you are lumping me in with “HP HATERS” without actually listening to what I’ve said.

You simply attack “HP HATERS” out of reflex because they are attacking your precious beloved stories.

That’s fine with me, as I could not care less whether you act rationally or not.

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[Keikiolu]

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And I loved, and still love, the books as written.

But we now have this post-production insertion of a problematic issue into a finished work, via inference as stated by JK…!

SHE HAS CHANGED the completed work by this inference.

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To suggest that her answer to the question renders Dumbledore ‘a bad guy’ (in your own words) despite the fact that there is nothing in the novels which speaks to Dumbledore having had any sort of romantic relationships, and that the entire series ought to be chucked on the basis of potentially ‘becoming anti-Catholic literature’ … that just seems like an over-the-top reaction to something that isn’t even part of the text of the novels.
You, and others, CONTINUE to not understand my point. The reason, no doubt, is simple knee-jerk disapproval of a beloved toy toward one who criticizes it in any way.

My question to you would be whether it would be harmful to children to have to deal with a charished character that they’ve come to love being shown to be an unchaste homosexual-sex-act practitioner?

That is the chance you take when you promote HP stories and unquestionably good for them.
Nope, I’m not taking that chance at all. Dumbledore CANNOT be shown to be unchaste based on the novels as written–there is nothing in the texts of the seven books that even hints of this character flaw.

You are absolutely RIGHT…! And I agree with you…!! Now, how about you actually LISTEN to me?

They are written, published and stand as-is. Like I said before–the novels remain utterly unchanged (as you admitted). I’m not going to let them read fanfic (which ranges from sublime to deplorable in terms of writing skills, to say nothing of actual plot choices), and so I have no worries about the content of the books.

In any case, should they care about this matter, I think Baptista’s four options are exactly on target–but whether this comes up in discussion at all depends on whether or not they care about something that isn’t part of the story as written.

Since the question I asked, namely, “My question to you would be whether it would be harmful to children to have to deal with a charished character that they’ve come to love being shown to be an unchaste homosexual-sex-act practitioner?”…

…is in fact a possible outcome of this “controversy”, you ARE taking the chance that you’ll have to deal with the above possibility…!

How this situation “develops” is entirely dependent on how JK handles the situation.

You ARE putting children at risk of the above possibility, which no one can control but JK.

So,… if you’re OK with putting your charges in JK’s hands, that’s fine with me, as I’ve no role to play in a parental capacity toward them.

But I’m only concerned that others MIGHT see things as I do, and as such I’m compelled to make my warning about a potentially dangerous situation public.

What you do with that warning, I couldn’t care too terribly much less at all.

But, best to you anyway…!

Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai ia oe. Aloha nui.

 

[Melissa]

Apparently you think that listening=agreement.

I do not agree with you, but I HAVE been responding to your point … repeatedly. But to cut directly to the point and say it in few words:

You ask whether it is acceptable to expose children to garbage. We would agree it is not. Our disagreement lies in the fact that you believe JK Rowling’s statement turn her published works into garbage and I do not.

• We agree the published texts are unchanged by JK Rowling’s statement re: Dumbledore
• The books as written do not provide any direct or indirect information regarding Dumbledore’s proclivities
• Therefore, if your (hypothetical if not real) children already “know and cherish” the character of Dumbledore, they do not know he is gay unless YOU tell them or permit them unsupervised internet access.

I am, however, likely the only source this information would come from for my children. Since I have no intention of informing my children of this matter, I have no worries about them reading the unchanged books that have been written and published.

What JK Rowling does or does not say regarding Dumbledore in the future is irrelevant as it will NOT change the books she has already written. Such hypothetical statements will also not be imparted to my children unless I think it appropriate.

 

[Angela_Tate]

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