Problem with the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion in cases of rape

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stpurl said:
Abortion is a mortal sin. Whether a child in the womb was conceived in holy matrimony by parents who love and desire the child or whether the child was conceived ‘in sin’, that child from his or her conception is a child of God. That child is your neighbor. . What indeed does God tell us regarding our neighbor? To love our neighbor as ourselves.
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My neighbour is the person who help me if I am being beaten by a robber. The robber is not my neighbour. The robber deserve crime law.

You pervert Jesus teaching.

Luke 10:29-37
29 But wanting to justify himself, he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell into the hands of robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a priest was going down that road; and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan while traveling came near him; and when he saw him, he was moved with pity. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, having poured oil and wine on them. Then he put him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said, ‘Take care of him; and when I come back, I will repay you whatever more you spend.’ 36 Which of these three, do you think, was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?” 37 He said, “The one who showed him mercy.” Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

Clearly Jesus want you to see the difference between being righteous with no compassion like the priest and the livite who has no compassion for the crime victim

as compared to the good samaritan who has compassion for the crime victim

Did Jesus said that the victim responsible to show compassion to the person who beat him up (or his children who are hungry, so the victim has responsibility to feed their hunger)?

Who is confused here?
 
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Elf01 said:
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JoyfulTune:
It is the court’s job to decide what’s just for the crime. The crime court will examine the case.
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If there wss a motion to make rape a capital crime would ypu support it?
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There is no such motion. Crime law is examined case by case.
 
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You are. Very confused.

You talk of victims. What of the child? You refuse to find the child an innocent victim. Jesus said that He wished the children to come to Him, “for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.”

Yet you would play God yourself by claiming these innocents are ‘enemies’.

Well let’s just pretend they are then. . .because oh my, Jesus has quite a bit to say about loving our enemies.. Doing good to those who hurt us.

Kind of forgot about that, didn’t you?

Of course, only the most twisted being could call an innocent child an enemy but if a person is so deluded, even there Jesus has made sure that even that crazy interpretation of a child as an enemy must be met with His teaching, to ‘love our enemies. Love our neighbors. Love ALL. (Even love the poor and deluded who do not listen and love as well.
 
Abortion may be wrong in other cases.
In rape case, it is allowed.

I already explain it. For those who understand, let them understand.
 
stpurl said:
His teaching, to ‘love our enemies
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Loving our enemy is not treating raped woman harshly, forcing her to carry and give birth to the rapist child.

It is good if she choose to do so. I would not even have heart to ask her to do it. How about you? Would you be able to ask a raped victim to carry and give birth to it, otherwise she commit crime grater than the one done to her?

Your interpretation of loving enemy is this: the person who’s beaten and robbed and raped, responsible to feed the child of the person who beat and rob and raped him/ her.

Do you think God is pleased when you do that?
 
Your crazy distortion is not what I advocate, and you know it.

YOU are the one who appears to believe that killing an innocent child is fine with God.

It isn’t.

I am sure that God is pleased that I do not attempt to distort His teachings but simply advocate what He has always and consistently taught, the sanctity of human life from conception until natural death.
 
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Do you think God is pleased when you do that?
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Rape is not pleasing to God of course.
Neither is God pleased when others wish to perpetuate the suffering of rape.

But this is advocating for life of the child. Killing the child does not ameliorate the suffering of the rape victim, it merely victimizes two people instead of one, and furthers the injury to the mother.

Do you believe God wants the child to be penalized for the sins of the rapist?

Is God pleased when you do that?
 
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stpurl said:
the sanctity of human life from conception until natural death.
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Except when this human life does not respect the sanctity of other human life, raping her. Then the on-lookers, who recite the sancity of human life, forcing the victim to respect the sanctity of human life of the rapist heir, offending the sanctity of human life of the victim whose sanctity of life has been offended by.
 
The child in the womb is not the aggressor. The child did not rape the woman.

What is the matter with you with your ‘rapist’s heir’? Do you refer to a child conceived out of wedlock by ‘mutual consent’ as ‘the fornicator’s heir?”
 
Have you read my previous posts, God rewarded Jehu for killing 70 of King Ahab’s & Joram’s children, because of the sin of their fathers

By God’s law the child of the rapist, is the heir of his father.

If you outright rejects God’s Justice, then what your Moral Theology be based on?
 
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You keep saying, “God’s Law’.

I don’t think God’s Law means what you think it means. . .

Why is it only the ‘rapist’s heir’ who deserves death in the womb?

Suppose a woman gets pregnant from an act of consensual sex (fornication) and the man says, “I’m outta here”.

Can SHE abort her baby? After all, the baby is the ‘fornicator’s heir’ and fornication is a mortal sin like rape.
 
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Suppose a woman gets pregnant from an act of consensual sex (fornication) and the man says, “I’m outta here”.

Can SHE abort her baby? After all, the baby is the ‘fornicator’s heir’ and fornication is a mortal sin like rape.
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Thou shall not commit adultery!
 
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Rau said:
Wouldn’t our Christian duty be to show concern for the welfare of both mother and child?
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You do not concern for the welfare of the mother whenever you deny her right to defend herself from those who intrude to her property (her body/ her privacy).
 
JoyfulTune said:
as compared to the good samaritan who has compassion for the crime victim
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WE are compassionate for both victims, the woman and her preborn child. Indeed, Catholics are compelled to also feel compassion for the rapist, even as we denounce the act of rape. Every person is special to God and in need of our love and prayers.
May God bless you.
Amen.
 
Yes, that is one of the commandments. But you didn’t answer my question. My question is, since rape is against the commandments as much as fornication and adultery, can a woman who has engaged in behavior with a fornicator or an adulterer abort that baby, who is the ‘fornicator’s heir’ or the ‘adulterer’s heir”? How about if the mother is married but her husband was the child of a rapist? After all YOU said, ‘sins of the fathers’, how long does it take for the father who sinned crimes to ‘wear off’ for his descendants?

If you cannot see the sheer nonsense in your claims, everybody else can!
 
JoyfulTune said:
Have you read my previous posts, God rewarded Jehu for killing 70 of King Ahab’s & Joram’s children, because of the sin of their fathers

By God’s law the child of the rapist, is the heir of his father.

If you outright rejects God’s Justice, then what your Moral Theology be based on?
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Catholics don’t read the bible in this fundamentalist way, so…?
Do you think God is pleased when a child is killed?
 
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