Problems with the Book of Mormon

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Come on, man. That’s really over the top. I have a lot of Mormon relatives and acquaintences, and their sexual orientations and appetites seem no different than the larger population.
No not really, Because, All mormons believe that they have to be Married in a Temple and be Sealed to each other, that way when they die and are elevated to “God-Hood”, they get to have sex with their spouse for all eternity to make Spirit Babies to populate, their planet they are given. That is obsession of S.e.x.

Also Mormons Believe that if they are sealed they will be joined together in heaven, that means a mormon man can get married and sealed to as many woman as he wants, Seen it done and heard of it done personaly by woman who it has been done to.

What about Baptism of the Dead, Ask a mormon about that, what about Endowment, what about Washing and anionting, and about Second Endowment, What about the fact that in a Mormon Temple, the Baptismal is held up by 12 life sized Sculpted Oxen, that sounds like an Idol…
 
As if there were any doubt of this, hobbit fossils have even been discovered.
That’s true. I saw a Discovery Channel show about a dig where they found lots of fossilized skeletal remains of very small adult humanoids. Whether they were hobbits or a race of very small pygmies is as yet unknown, but they did exist a long time ago.
 
No not really, Because, All mormons believe that they have to be Married in a Temple and be Sealed to each other, that way when they die and are elevated to “God-Hood”, they get to have sex with their spouse for all eternity to make Spirit Babies to populate, their planet they are given. That is obsession of S.e.x.

Also Mormons Believe that if they are sealed they will be joined together in heaven, that means a mormon man can get married and sealed to as many woman as he wants, Seen it done and heard of it done personaly by woman who it has been done to.

What about Baptism of the Dead, Ask a mormon about that, what about Endowment, what about Washing and anionting, and about Second Endowment, What about the fact that in a Mormon Temple, the Baptismal is held up by 12 life sized Sculpted Oxen, that sounds like an Idol…
:cool: you say these things like if they haven’t been discussed multiple times. And you really don’t understand our beliefs. I personally can’t wait to be sealed to at least 7 women.

So can you or can you not back up your temple claims? I guarantee that you can’t.
 
No not really, Because, All mormons believe that they have to be Married in a Temple and be Sealed to each other, that way when they die and are elevated to “God-Hood”, they get to have sex with their spouse for all eternity to make Spirit Babies to populate, their planet they are given. That is obsession of S.e.x.

Also Mormons Believe that if they are sealed they will be joined together in heaven, that means a mormon man can get married and sealed to as many woman as he wants, Seen it done and heard of it done personaly by woman who it has been done to.

What about Baptism of the Dead, Ask a mormon about that, what about Endowment, what about Washing and anionting, and about Second Endowment, What about the fact that in a Mormon Temple, the Baptismal is held up by 12 life sized Sculpted Oxen, that sounds like an Idol…
I don’t have to ask, I used to be a Mormon. I know all about it. I think they are misguided, but your take on it says more about you than about them.

By the way, the font with the twelve oxen is an homage to the Jewish temple, where in the court-yard they had a large water-filled basin on the backs of twelve oxen that the priests washed in for ritual purity (a precursor to Christian baptism). Learn the facts - you’ll be a much more effective apologist.
 
Paul and others,
Is this a high schoolers forum? I can’t believe I am reading the thinking process of mature adults in this discussion. Think independently, folks, please. The Sidney Rigdon theory and the Solomon Spaulding theory are not even remotely plausible for authorship of the Book of Mormon, except to high schoolers who are one-source wonders in their study habits.

I said before that the Book of Mormon corroborates the Bible in every detail. Mormons believe in the Bible far more literally than any other denomination.

That is impossible, because it contains contradictory commands - do you practice levirate marriage, or avoid levirate marriage like the plague ? Leviticus & Deuteronomy differ on this matter, so it’s a bit difficult to observe the one, with flouting the other. 🙂

I read from the Bible nearly every day, and love it as the word of God. I love that it is written on so many levels; thus, God allows humankind to glean from it what will help them improve their lives at the level that they are committed to in life. You get out of it what you put into the reading and thinking or pondering about it. Read Isaiah. Thank deeply about Isaiah’s latter day prophecies. Read the Book of Revelation, and think about what Jesus wants you to know about his promises to you.
 
AG and others,
Sorry if I was misunderstood, as I viewed the term “orthodox” as the closest description of my beliefs among the choices that were provided. I am LDS, which I consider to be more orthodox than Protestant or Catholic as it more closely matches the Bible than any other denomination, and is a “restored” religion.

I suppose I should explain about LDS beliefs in the pre-mortal life of all of humankind. Everyone who is born into this world were followers of Jesus in the pre-mortal world, and He was known as God the Son in that sphere of life. He was the Creator of this world. The apostle John teaches that Jesus (the Word) was the Creator, and was in the Beginning with God, and was God there. Then He was “made flesh” and dwelt among us as the Son of God born to Mary. He inherited from His divine Father the power over death, by which He could be resurrected after He died. He was also perfect and sinless, which we all knew in that earlier pre-mortal world that He was going to be able to accomplish when He came to earth in the Meridian of time. That is why “all the sons of God shouted for joy!” Only One who was sinless and who had power over death could atone for the sins of all of humankind, which He was willing to do because of His complete and perfect love for each and every one of us. Satan was jealous and rebellious, and sought to deceive us and so he fought against God’s plan and fought Michael (Adam) in a spiritual war there in the pre-mortal world.

It is important to understand that all of us followed Christ in that sphere of existence. In that sense, everyone in the world today is a follower of Christ–many just don’t realize it. We are born into this world with a complete forgetting of that pre-mortal world, so that we can demonstrate by how we live our lives, what we really want as a spirit child of God. So, to each reader here, what do you really want, deep down in your core self? Do you want a spiritual anchor of hope, faith, and charity in your life? That is what Mormonism seeks to bring to people, if they want it–but only if they are sincerely seeking such.
 
I don’t have to ask, I used to be a Mormon. I know all about it. I think they are misguided, but your take on it says more about you than about them.

By the way, the font with the twelve oxen is an homage to the Jewish temple, where in the court-yard they had a large water-filled basin on the backs of twelve oxen that the priests washed in for ritual purity (a precursor to Christian baptism). Learn the facts - you’ll be a much more effective apologist.
Agreed. We each believe that we are the true Church, but that doesn’t mean we have to resort to such attacks to get our points (or lack thereof) across.
 
The historical fact is that the Egyptians are the people who developed bee husbandry. You can pretend that someone else taught them. That doesn’t make it a fact. That makes it something you hope is true. Like, talking space bugs.
The “historical fact” according to wikipedia:
Wild honey harvesting
Collecting honey from wild bee colonies is one of the most ancient human activities and is still practiced by aboriginal societies in parts of Africa, Asia, Australia, and South America. Some of the earliest evidence of gathering honey from wild colonies is from rock painting, dating to around 13,000 BC. Gathering honey from wild bee colonies is usually done by subduing the bees with smoke and breaking open the tree or rocks where the colony is located, often resulting in the physical destruction of the colony.
Domestication of wild bees
At some point humans began to domesticate wild bees in artificial hives made from hollow logs, wooden boxes, pottery vessels, and woven straw baskets or “skeps.” The domestication of bees was well developed in Egypt and sealed pots of honey were found in the grave goods of Pharaohs such as Tutankhamun.
Not that Wikipedia is the most authoritative source but it is interesting the article says humans began to domesticate wild bees not Egyptians.
 
Agreed. We each believe that we are the true Church, but that doesn’t mean we have to resort to such attacks to get our points (or lack thereof) across.
Dchsknight sounds like a very young person. Young people tend to ride in guns-a-blazin’. I remember it well, though it was 40 years ago. :o
 
Gottle,
A serious student of the Bible knows that the law of Moses was fulfilled through Christ, so to answer your question I really don’t care about that issue. I do believe in marriage as what you might call an important “sacrament”, though. Through the relationship of a good marriage, men and women learn so much more about how to be unselfish, how to be kind, how to not seek power and control over others, not to mention learning from their children and from raising children. Marriage can be a foundation for a happy, fulfilling life–one where growth and progress can be measured by how we treat those closest to us, whether we treat them in loving, encouraging, Christ-like ways.
 
The “historical fact” according to wikipedia:

Not that Wikipedia is the most authoritative source but it is interesting the article says humans began to domesticate wild bees not Egyptians.
Egyptians are humans. Bee husbandry was developed by the Egyptians. Putting bees in baskets isn’t really the same thing. It’s about the same as writing on papyrus compared to bark. But if you want to believe that this is what is referenced in your scriptures. Fine with me. This practice is not found in the Americas, either.

The largest issue you have is no contemporary writings. None. Zero. And no civilizations and cultures that match to anything described in your Book. Yes, I know, you pretend about these things too…those just might be true. But again, facts and pretending are not the same thing.

You have to do a LOT of pretending in order to believe there is anything that backs your Book.
 
Dchsknight sounds like a very young person. Young people tend to ride in guns-a-blazin’. I remember it well, though it was 40 years ago. :o
I am young, Yes. I am 23. I do not come in Guns blazing because i think it is fun or i want to hurt. I come in Guns Blazing because the People who have the truth have grown weak, quite, and passive. I come in Guns blazing, because the old people who used to defend this castle, called the Catholic Church, have forgotten how to use their swords.

Paladin: 1. A paragon of chivalry; a heroic champion.
2. A strong supporter or defender of a cause: “the paladin of plain speaking” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).
3. Any of the 12 peers of Charlemagne’s court.

Paladins are knights, working for their church or an order. Qualifying for an order is often difficult, and membership always requires that the paladin follow a specific code of conduct. These orders often allow non-paladins as members, with good-aligned rangers and fighters being the most common sort of nonpaladin members. Paladins can serve in the military force of an aristocrat sanctioned by their religion, or within some autonomous church-based military order established for defense.

The epic paladin stands in the forefront of the battle against chaos and evil in the world, shining as a beacon of hope to all who fight the good fight.

(kind of Nerdy sorry)

I fancy my Self a Knight for Jesus Christ. For the Church. I am hear to awaken the blood of the Knights in our Church, because they have fallen asleep. The church has grown tolerant of other religions and does not seek to Destroy the False Hoods pouring from their Venomous Fangs. Back in the New testament, Jesus and his Followers were never Quite or passive. Jesus fought with Evil day in and Day out. Paul called out sin and attacked evil head on and did not back down. Peter the Rock of our Church was not a person with whom you wanted to mess with. Paul said Test everything and hold fast to the word of God. Paul said if any one comes to you will another Gospel he is not of God. If they are not of God, then they are my enemy, because they are enemies of God. As Catholics it is our Duty to defend the walls of our Castle. To defend our Turrets and towers. To fight back against the Darkness and evil of this world.

The Mormons, forgetting all and everything already said, come with another Gospel, which according to the bible means they are of the devil. If any mormons want to hear the truth and Follow the true Jesus, Then come and learn and stand on the walls with me, but until the mormons recognize they are speaking a lie of the Devil, They will be on the receiving end of the word. And the word is my sword, Made of the finest steel, able to hew stone and rend flesh from Soul. Until they See the lies their spread, they will be pelted with arrows, and the Rosary is my Bow, it is strong and able to pierce the strongest armor. Untill they bow their knees to Jesus Christ and renounce the evil that they follow, They will break upon the walls of Fortress of Christ, Which is the Church.

I was once told, All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Well i wont do nothing when evil is spoken. I will not remain silent when lies are spread. I will not stand by while people Violate, and Ra.pe the word of God to suit their own sin and pleasure, which is what Mormonism does.
 
I am young, Yes. I am 23. I do not come in Guns blazing because i think it is fun or i want to hurt. I come in Guns Blazing because the People who have the truth have grown weak, quite, and passive. I come in Guns blazing, because the old people who used to defend this castle, called the Catholic Church, have forgotten how to use their swords.

Paladin: 1. A paragon of chivalry; a heroic champion.
2. A strong supporter or defender of a cause: “the paladin of plain speaking” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.).
3. Any of the 12 peers of Charlemagne’s court.

Paladins are knights, working for their church or an order. Qualifying for an order is often difficult, and membership always requires that the paladin follow a specific code of conduct. These orders often allow non-paladins as members, with good-aligned rangers and fighters being the most common sort of nonpaladin members. Paladins can serve in the military force of an aristocrat sanctioned by their religion, or within some autonomous church-based military order established for defense.

The epic paladin stands in the forefront of the battle against chaos and evil in the world, shining as a beacon of hope to all who fight the good fight.

(kind of Nerdy sorry)

I fancy my Self a Knight for Jesus Christ. For the Church. I am hear to awaken the blood of the Knights in our Church, because they have fallen asleep. The church has grown tolerant of other religions and does not seek to Destroy the False Hoods pouring from their Venomous Fangs. Back in the New testament, Jesus and his Followers were never Quite or passive. Jesus fought with Evil day in and Day out. Paul called out sin and attacked evil head on and did not back down. Peter the Rock of our Church was not a person with whom you wanted to mess with. Paul said Test everything and hold fast to the word of God. Paul said if any one comes to you will another Gospel he is not of God. If they are not of God, then they are my enemy, because they are enemies of God. As Catholics it is our Duty to defend the walls of our Castle. To defend our Turrets and towers. To fight back against the Darkness and evil of this world.

The Mormons, forgetting all and everything already said, come with another Gospel, which according to the bible means they are of the devil. If any mormons want to hear the truth and Follow the true Jesus, Then come and learn and stand on the walls with me, but until the mormons recognize they are speaking a lie of the Devil, They will be on the receiving end of the word. And the word is my sword, Made of the finest steel, able to hew stone and rend flesh from Soul. Until they See the lies their spread, they will be pelted with arrows, and the Rosary is my Bow, it is strong and able to pierce the strongest armor. Untill they bow their knees to Jesus Christ and renounce the evil that they follow, They will break upon the walls of Fortress of Christ, Which is the Church.

I was once told, All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Well i wont do nothing when evil is spoken. I will not remain silent when lies are spread. I will not stand by while people Violate, and Ra.pe the word of God to suit their own sin and pleasure, which is what Mormonism does.
interesting concepts. Latter-day Saints believe that all of our beliefs are consistent with the Bible, and that we have the fullness of Truth. We accept Jesus Christ as our Savior. Please read about our beliefs from actual LDS sources before you read non-LDS sources so you be more informed.

youtube.com/watch?v=QtEQ8Tjr2EI&feature=channel_page
youtube.com/watch?v=LOL6owHhHKw&feature=related
mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/the-restoration-of-truth/the-restoration-of-truth

I’m 22 btw :cool:
 
interesting concepts. Latter-day Saints believe that all of our beliefs are consistent with the Bible, and that we have the fullness of Truth. We accept Jesus Christ as our Savior. Please read about our beliefs from actual LDS sources before you read non-LDS sources so you be more informed.

youtube.com/watch?v=QtEQ8Tjr2EI&feature=channel_page
youtube.com/watch?v=LOL6owHhHKw&feature=related
mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/the-restoration-of-truth/the-restoration-of-truth

I’m 22 btw :cool:
Then why do you believe in the BOM when the bible says do not add to the word, or bring another gospel. We have the fulness of the Gospels already with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Anything else is of the devil and a lie.
 
Then why do you believe in the BOM when the bible says do not add to the word, or bring another gospel. We have the fulness of the Gospels already with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Anything else is of the devil and a lie.
This argument is actually used many times with Catholics when Protestants attempt to disregard the Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha. Those verses can be interpreted to mean do not add to that specific text, not the Bible as a whole. Remember, the Bible did not fall out of the sky, ready made and in the order that it is now. The Bible had to be compiled, and various other texts had to be discarded. This was done by the early Church (which would be called Catholic by members of this forum 😉 ). So if this is the case, it wouldn’t make sense that that verse was referring to the Bible as a whole.

Also, we do not add another gospel. We believe that nothing said in the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible. We believe that we have the full, restored Gospel. Please browse the LDS website, or fairlds.org/ to learn more about our beliefs.

Oh and this guy might be easier to understand:

jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/index.html
 
This argument is actually used many times with Catholics when Protestants attempt to disregard the Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha. Those verses can be interpreted to mean do not add to that specific text, not the Bible as a whole. Remember, the Bible did not fall out of the sky, ready made and in the order that it is now. The Bible had to be compiled, and various other texts had to be discarded. This was done by the early Church (which would be called Catholic by members of this forum 😉 ). So if this is the case, it wouldn’t make sense that that verse was referring to the Bible as a whole.

Also, we do not add another gospel. We believe that nothing said in the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible. We believe that we have the full, restored Gospel. Please browse the LDS website, or fairlds.org/ to learn more about our beliefs.

Oh and this guy might be easier to understand:

jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/index.html
If it was Restored when did it fall apart?
 
If it was Restored when did it fall apart?
Please search “great apostasy” or “Mormons and apostasy”. This has been discussed ad nauseum. Also those links above discuss this as well. Read then you can always open up another thread to discuss that issue, or look at the multitude of other threads about it as well.
 
Please search “great apostasy” or “Mormons and apostasy”. This has been discussed ad nauseum. Also those links above discuss this as well. Read then you can always open up another thread to discuss that issue, or look at the multitude of other threads about it as well.
Looked it up, knew about it and mormons fail at claiming that the Bible has fallen, here is why: we unlike any other ‘Faith’ can trace our Authority back to Jesus Christ. You can not. Here is our Authoritative Genology:

Were is yours? St. Peter got his Authority from Jesus and passed it on. So were is your Authority. Were did Jesus Himself empower, your Authority to Forgive sin and Set up the Church. Cause their is ours, and you can search and all of the History you will find will back this up.

( see next post for list, aparently it is too big.)
 
  1. St. Peter (32-67ad)
  2. St. Linus (67-76)
  3. St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
  4. St. Clement I (88-97)
  5. St. Evaristus (97-105)
  6. St. Alexander I (105-115)
  7. St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
  8. St. Telesphorus (125-136)
  9. St. Hyginus (136-140)
  10. St. Pius I (140-155)
  11. St. Anicetus (155-166)
  12. St. Soter (166-175)
  13. St. Eleutherius (175-189)
  14. St. Victor I (189-199)
  15. St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
  16. St. Callistus I (217-22)
  17. St. Urban I (222-30)
  18. St. Pontain (230-35)
  19. St. Anterus (235-36)
  20. St. Fabian (236-50)
  21. St. Cornelius (251-53) Opposed by Novatian, anti-pope (251)
  22. St. Lucius I (253-54)
  23. St. Stephen I (254-257)
  24. St. Sixtus II (257-258)
  25. St. Dionysius (260-268)
  26. St. Felix I (269-274)
  27. St. Eutychian (275-283)
  28. St. Caius (283-296) Also called Gaius
  29. St. Marcellinus (296-304)
  30. St. Marcellus I (308-309)
  31. St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
  32. St. Miltiades (311-14)
  33. St. Sylvester I (314-35)
  34. St. Marcus (336)
  35. St. Julius I (337-52)
  36. Liberius (352-66)
  37. St. Damasus I (366-83)
  38. St. Siricius (384-99)
  39. St. Anastasius I (399-401)
  40. St. Innocent I (401-17)
  41. St. Zosimus (417-18)
  42. St. Boniface I (418-22)
  43. St. Celestine I (422-32)
  44. St. Sixtus III (432-40)
  45. —St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)—
  46. St. Hilarius (461-68)
  47. St. Simplicius (468-83)
  48. St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
  49. St. Gelasius I (492-96)
  50. Anastasius II (496-98)
  51. St. Symmachus (498-514)
  52. St. Hormisdas (514-23)
  53. St. John I (523-26)
  54. St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
  55. Boniface II (530-32)
  56. John II (533-35)
  57. St. Agapetus I (535-36) Also called Agapitus I
  58. St. Silverius (536-37)
  59. Vigilius (537-55)
  60. Pelagius I (556-61)
  61. John III (561-74)
  62. Benedict I (575-79)
  63. Pelagius II (579-90)
  64. ~St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604)~
  65. Sabinian (604-606)
  66. Boniface III (607)
  67. St. Boniface IV (608-15)
  68. St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18)
  69. Boniface V (619-25)
  70. Honorius I (625-38)
  71. Severinus (640)
  72. John IV (640-42)
  73. Theodore I (642-49)
  74. St. Martin I (649-55)
  75. St. Eugene I (655-57)
  76. St. Vitalian (657-72)
  77. Adeodatus (II) (672-76)
  78. Donus (676-78)
  79. St. Agatho (678-81)
  80. St. Leo II (682-83)
  81. St. Benedict II (684-85)
  82. John V (685-86)
  83. Conon (686-87)
  84. St. Sergius I (687-701)
  85. John VI (701-05)
  86. John VII (705-07)
  87. Sisinnius (708)
  88. Constantine (708-15)
  89. St. Gregory II (715-31)
  90. St. Gregory III (731-41)
  91. St. Zachary (741-52)
  92. Stephen II (752) sudden death,many authoritative lists omit him
  93. Stephen III (752-57)
  94. St. Paul I (757-67)
  95. Stephen IV (767-72) Opposed by Constantine II (767)political anti-pope
  96. Adrian I (772-95)
  97. St. Leo III (795-816)
  98. Stephen V (816-17)
  99. St. Paschal I (817-24)
  100. Eugene II (824-27)
  101. Valentine (827)
  102. Gregory IV (827-44)
  103. Sergius II (844-47)
  104. St. Leo IV (847-55)
  105. Benedict III (855-58) Opposed by Anastasius, antipope (855)
  106. St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67)
  107. Adrian II (867-72)
  108. John VIII (872-82)
  109. Marinus I (882-84)
  110. St. Adrian III (884-85)
  111. Stephen VI (885-91)
  112. Formosus (891-96)
  113. Boniface VI (896)
  114. Stephen VII (896-97)
  115. Romanus (897
  116. Theodore II (897)
  117. John IX (898-900)
  118. Benedict IV (900-03)
  119. Leo V (903)
  120. Sergius III (904-11)
  121. Anastasius III (911-13)
  122. Lando (913-14)
  123. John X (914-28)
  124. Leo VI (928ad)
  125. Stephen VIII (929-31ad)
  126. John XI (931-35ad)
  127. Leo VII (936-39)
  128. Stephen IX (939-42)
  129. Marinus II (942-46)
  130. Agapetus II (946-55)
  131. John XII (955-63)
  132. Leo VIII (963-64)
  133. Benedict V (964)
  134. John XIII (965-72)
  135. Benedict VI (973-74)
  136. Benedict VII (974-83)
  137. John XIV (983-84)
  138. John XV (985-96)
  139. Gregory V (996-99)
  140. Sylvester II (999-1003)
  141. John XVII (1003)
  142. John XVIII (1003-09)
  143. Sergius IV (1009-12)
  144. Benedict VIII (1012-24) O
  145. John XIX (1024-32)
  146. Benedict IX (1032-45)
  147. Sylvester III (1045)
  148. Benedict IX (1045)
  149. Gregory VI (1045-46)
  150. Clement II (1046-47)
  151. Benedict IX (1047-48)
  152. Damasus II (1048)
  153. St. Leo IX (1049-54)
  154. Victor II (1055-57)
  155. Stephen X (1057-58)
  156. Nicholas II (1058-61)
  157. Alexander II (1061-73)
  158. St. Gregory VII (1073-85)
  159. Blessed Victor III (1086-87)
  160. Blessed Urban II (1088-99)
  161. Paschal II (1099-1118)
  162. Gelasius II (1118-19)
  163. Callistus II (1119-24)
  164. Honorius II (1124-30) Opposed by Celestine II, anti-pope (1124)
  165. Innocent II (1130-43) O
  166. Celestine II (1143-44)
  167. Lucius II (1144-45)
  168. Blessed Eugene III (1145-53)
  169. Anastasius IV (1153-54)
  170. Adrian IV (1154-59)
  171. Alexander III (1159-81)
  172. Lucius III (1181-85)
  173. Urban III (1185-87)
  174. Gregory VIII (1187)
  175. Clement III (1187-91)
  176. Celestine III (1191-98)
  177. Innocent III (1198-1216)
  178. Honorius III (1216-27)
  179. Gregory IX (1227-41)
  180. Celestine IV (1241)
  181. Innocent IV (1243-54)
  182. Alexander IV (1254-61)
  183. Urban IV (1261-64)
  184. Clement IV (1265-68)
  185. Blessed Gregory X (1271-76)
  186. Blessed Innocent V (1276)
  187. Adrian V (1276)
  188. John XXI (1276-77)
  189. Nicholas III (1277-80)
  190. Martin IV (1281-85)
  191. Honorius IV (1285-87)
  192. Nicholas IV (1288-92)
 
  1. St. Celestine V (1294)
  2. Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
  3. Blessed Benedict XI (1303-04)
  4. Clement V (1305-14) Avignon exile
  5. John XXII (1316-34) Opposed by Nicholas V, anti-pope (1328-1330)
  6. Benedict XII (1334-42)
  7. Clement VI (1342-52)
  8. Innocent VI (1352-62)
  9. Blessed Urban V (1362-70)
  10. Gregory XI (1370-78) end of Avignon exile
  11. Urban VI (1378-89)
  12. Boniface IX (1389-1404)
  13. Innocent VII (1404-06)
  14. Gregory XII (1406-15) (1409-1410), antipopes
  15. Martin V (1417-31)
  16. Eugene IV (1431-47) Opposed by anti-pope Amadeus of Savoy
  17. Nicholas V (1447-55)
  18. Callistus III (1455-58)
  19. Pius II (1458-64)
  20. Paul II (1464-71)
  21. Sixtus IV (1471-84)
  22. Innocent VIII (1484-92)
  23. Alexander VI (1492-1503)
  24. Pius III (1503)
  25. Julius II (1503-13)
  26. Leo X (1513-21)
  27. Adrian VI (1522-23)
  28. Clement VII (1523-34)
  29. Paul III (1534-49)
  30. Julius III (1550-55)
  31. Marcellus II (1555)
  32. Paul IV (1555-59)
  33. Pius IV (1559-65)
  34. St. Pius V (1566-72)
  35. Gregory XIII (1572-85)
  36. Sixtus V (1585-90)
  37. Urban VII (1590)
  38. Gregory XIV (1590-91)
  39. Innocent IX (1591)
  40. Clement VIII (1592-1605)
  41. Leo XI (1605)
  42. Paul V (1605-21)
  43. Gregory XV (1621-23)
  44. Urban VIII (1623-44)
  45. Innocent X (1644-55)
  46. Alexander VII (1655-67)
  47. Clement IX (1667-69)
  48. Clement X (1670-76)
  49. Blessed Innocent XI (1676-89)
  50. Alexander VIII (1689-91)
  51. Innocent XII (1691-1700)
  52. Clement XI (1700-21)
  53. Innocent XIII (1721-24)
  54. Benedict XIII (1724-30)
  55. Clement XII (1730-40)
  56. Benedict XIV (1740-58)
  57. Clement XIII (1758-69)
  58. Clement XIV (1769-74)
  59. Pius VI (1775-99)
  60. Pius VII (1800-23)
  61. Leo XII (1823-29)
  62. Pius VIII (1829-30)
  63. Gregory XVI (1831-46)
  64. Blessed Pius IX (1846-78)
  65. Leo XIII (1878-1903)
  66. St. Pius X (1903-14)
  67. Benedict XV (1914-22)
  68. Pius XI (1922-39)
  69. Pius xII (1939-58)
  70. Blessed John XXIII (1958-63)
  71. Paul VI (1963-78)
  72. John Paul I (1978)
  73. John Paul II (1978-2005)
  74. Benedict XVI (2005-?)
 
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