Proclaiming the bride and not the bridegroom

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I have enjoyed my time on Catholic Answers tremendously. I definitely enjoy my Catholic siblings in Christ. I have noticed that many Catholic siblings like to proclaim the bride. However, I believe Scripture reveals that we should be proclaiming the bridegroom instead of the bride. Do you think my assessment is correct?
 
Must it be an either/or situation? Paul persecuted the Church and was accused, by Christ Himself, of persecuting Him.

God bless
 
Must it be an either/or situation? Paul persecuted the Church and was accused, by Christ Himself, of persecuting Him.

God bless
For the Apostle Paul, he clearly proclaimed the bridegroom. Some Catholics never even mention Jesus in our discussions. Yet the Catholic Church is consistently proclaimed to me.
 
For the Apostle Paul, he clearly proclaimed the bridegroom. Some Catholics never even mention Jesus in our discussions. Yet the Catholic Church is consistently proclaimed to me.
Is it proclaimed or is it defended to you? Since this is a Catholic Apologetics forum it would make sense that the Church is defended and discussed here. ISTM that most thread topics run along the lines of, “why do Catholics believe…” or “Why does the Catholic Church teach…” You can’t fault posters for answering questions about the Church by discussing the Church.

You still didn’t answer my question though; must it be an either/or situation?

God bless
 
For the Apostle Paul, he clearly proclaimed the bridegroom. Some Catholics never even mention Jesus in our discussions. Yet the Catholic Church is consistently proclaimed to me.
While I think you’re correct that there are a few Catholics on this forum who loudly proclaim the Church while ignoring Jesus in their rants, they are a small (though loud) minority. It seems the majority of Catholic members proclaim the Church as the path to Christ, rather than the end of a path itself.
 
I have enjoyed my time on Catholic Answers tremendously. I definitely enjoy my Catholic siblings in Christ. I have noticed that many Catholic siblings like to proclaim the bride. However, I believe Scripture reveals that we should be proclaiming the bridegroom instead of the bride. Do you think my assessment is correct?
Odd, how your first two sentences are full of humility and meekness and your next two full of arrogance and condescension. If non-Catholics would not try to “tell” Catholics what they believe, then we wouldn’t have to defend our faith…it has been pointed out that this is an apologetics forum. We, as Christians, always proclaim Christ…when we Quote Scripture to defend our beliefs, then we use the words that Jesus said, or that his Apostles said, or words that are written about him. Our Catholic Catechism is Full of Jesus’ words…virtually every paragraph includes references to Scripture. The bible is a Catholic book from beginning to end and nothing in Catholic theology is contrary to Scripture.

In marriage, the two become one…so that when you attack the bride, then you also attack the bridegroom. Your assessment is not only incorrect but it is judgmental as well.

Pax Christi,
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The Catholic Church IS the body of Christ on earth. It is though the Church, founded by Jesus himself, that Christ’s mission of bringing salvation to all is continued. By proclaimng the bride, we proclaim the bridegroom.

It is through the sacraments that His grace is dispensed, through spreading the Gospel message that the Word is evangelized, and through works of service that we care for the least of our brothers. That is what Christ taught and that is what the Church does.

It is how we become sanctified and we may hope for eternal life in heaven.
 
While I think you’re correct that there are a few Catholics on this forum who loudly proclaim the Church while ignoring Jesus in their rants, they are a small (though loud) minority. It seems the majority of Catholic members proclaim the Church as the path to Christ, rather than the end of a path itself.
It would nice to see how the Catholic Church leads people to Christ. However, in my discussions, the Catholic Church appears to be the final destiny. I don’t want to come home to the Catholic Church, for I am looking for a better Heavenly place to call home.

These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city. - Hebrews
 
However, in my discussions, the Catholic Church appears to be the final destiny. I don’t want to come home to the Catholic Church, for I am looking for a better Heavenly place to call home.
It is in the Church that you will find the life of grace that you need for our heavenly home.
 
While I think you’re correct that there are a few Catholics on this forum who loudly proclaim the Church while ignoring Jesus in their rants.
I just wonder if this is possible. How could Christ be ignored by proclaiming the Church, which is His body?

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church Col 1:24

This is why Paul is asked by Christ why he is persecuting Him when he was persecuting the Church. If Christ can be persecuted by persecuting the Church, could He also be glorified by proclaiming the Church, His body, as well?

God bless
 
It is in the Church that you will find the life of grace that you need for our heavenly home.
I have to respectfully disagree. We don’t proclaim the church to the church. Rather, we proclaim Christ to the church. Grace and truth in found in the person of Jesus Christ! All the riches is found in the person of Jesus Christ. We are to be built up in Him and not the Church. We proclaim Him and not the Church.

Spiritual Blessings in Christ

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church, of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ. For this I toil, struggling with all his energy that he powerfully works within me.

For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God’s mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments. For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ.

Alive in Christ

Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Apostolic Teaching
 
I have to respectfully disagree. We don’t proclaim the church to the church. Rather, we proclaim Christ to the church. Grace and truth in found in the person of Jesus Christ! All the riches is in the person of Jesus Christ.
And what is it that is said to be the pillar and bulwark of said truth?

God bless
 
I just wonder if this is possible. How could Christ be ignored by proclaiming the Church, which is His body?

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church Col 1:24

This is why Paul is asked by Christ why he is persecuting Him when he was persecuting the Church. If Christ can be persecuted by persecuting the Church, could He also be glorified by proclaiming the Church, His body, as well?

God bless
Quite sadly, many do. I’ve seen a number of posts that talk of the Church but manage to excize Christ from it.

The members who actually do this are few and far between, as far as I’ve noticed, but they do appear. I can’t think of any names right now - and even if I could I don’t think it charitable to point fingers. If you watch for it, I’m sure you’ll see it. 😉
 
Quite sadly, many do. I’ve seen a number of posts that talk of the Church but manage to excize Christ from it.

The members who actually do this are few and far between, as far as I’ve noticed, but they do appear. I can’t think of any names right now - and even if I could I don’t think it charitable to point fingers. If you watch for it, I’m sure you’ll see it. 😉
As do I. I will keep my eyes open for it.

God bless you
 
I have enjoyed my time on Catholic Answers tremendously. I definitely enjoy my Catholic siblings in Christ. I have noticed that many Catholic siblings like to proclaim the bride. However, I believe Scripture reveals that we should be proclaiming the bridegroom instead of the bride. Do you think my assessment is correct?
It is a naïve assessment as is the title of the thread, which will likely lead to a naïve, false an incorrect conclusion.

The amount of time a person spends on the subject does not always proportionally reflect his belief system. I can see this approach similar to some Protestants’ contention that ‘since Catholics’ prayer is more about Mary than Jesus therefore Mary is more important than Jesus’.

The substance of the discussion depends on what the topic is. If it is about the church then we talk about it and similarly, if it is about Jesus. I don’t see any correlation that this should mean a person is proclaiming more about the Church and less about Jesus. It just does not apply.

By the way, how does one proclaim Jesus? What are the visible signs of Jesus on earth? What did he leave behind so that people can see and know by looking at them they would see and know Jesus too? How can we see and know Jesus if we do not see and know what symbolizes, depicts and the things he left behind?

You are mistaken if you think that by talking about his Church we are not proclaiming Jesus.
 
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
Yes I do believe this verse of scripture to be correct. My question however was not what is the truth but what is the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Hint: 1 Tim 3:15

God bless
 
Catholics can miss Jesus by proclaiming the Church instead of Christ.

Protestants can miss Jesus by proclaiming the Scriptures instead of Chrst.

You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, - John 5:39

Put On the New Self

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
 
Yes I do believe this verse of scripture to be correct. My question however was not what is the truth but what is the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Hint: 1 Tim 3:15

God bless
Please see post 18. You know there’s truth to what I have to say in that post.
 
Catholics can miss Jesus by proclaiming the Church instead of Christ.

Protestants can miss Jesus by proclaiming the Scriptures instead of Chrst.
And yet 2nd Adam you found only your first premise worthy of its own thread. Care to open the second premise as a thread and see how it goes?

God bless
 
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