Nice rhetoric but what exactly does this mean? How does one know if these objectives have been met? Shouldn’t adherence to the Latin texts be in there somewhere? Didn’t the ICEL have similar abstract objectives only to be overturned 40 years later?
- The Use of the Vernacular. While we respect the option to use Latin and celebrate the Tridentine liturgy, we uphold the use of the vernacular in our parishes and communities and recommend translations that faithfully reflect both the spiritual doctrine of the texts and the linguistic patterns of our vernacular languages.
tagaloglang.com/The-Philippines/Language/filipino-tagalog-pilipino.htmlI don’t know that much about them (would like to learn more, in fact) but aren’t Filipino and Tagalog different vernaculars, similar to jive/ebonics and English?
Latin, altar boys/girls, etc are hallmarks of traditional Catholicism. This is the Traditional Catholic forum intended for discussion of traditional Catholicism. What this group proposes is in direct contradiction to traditional Catholicism, the country’s Cardinal and Pope himself. Are you looking to discuss or dispute their report?It doesn’t take long to get a feel of what the keywords are that would solicit negative reaction in this forum. “No Latin” ranks as high as “altar girls” and “CITH”.
I would contest that. Sadly, sexual activity among Filipinos is at par with North America by my observation. We inherited some of the macho bravado from the Spanish and you can see this with Latin Americans. Having sexual experience is somewhat a right of passage for teenage males to young adults, usually by peer pressure. I think a contributing factor is culture. Filipinos are also romantics by heart. Most pre-marital sex happens between people in a relationship, which means people don’t really sleep around in the sense and would keep the same partner until the end of the relationship or continue it if they do end up getting married. Although I echo the concern of the article that an explosion is due. People are adapting more to the Western culture and casual sex is becoming more common.Before people question the Orthodoxy of the Philippines I have something of interest;
nytimes.com/2003/04/20/world/low-rate-of-aids-virus-in-philippines-is-a-puzzle.html?sec=health&&fta=y
Hint; it’s not a puzzle at all. It’s because a good part of the nation is orthodox and follows the teachings of the Church.
I still think you’re taking things in context. How much of the situation of the Church in the Philippines do you understand? You’d be surprised, but I will not sell my compatriots short. All I will say is that Catholicism there is far different from Catholicism here.Latin, altar boys/girls, etc are hallmarks of traditional Catholicism. This is the Traditional Catholic forum intended for discussion of traditional Catholicism. What this group proposes is in direct contradiction to traditional Catholicism, the country’s Cardinal and Pope himself. Are you looking to discuss or dispute their report?
So, by extrapolation, any opinion that is posted on the Traditional Catholic Forum, no matter how misinterpreted, biased or just plain wrong, is okay as long as it supports only “traditional catholicism.”Latin, altar boys/girls, etc are hallmarks of traditional Catholicism. This is the Traditional Catholic forum intended for discussion of traditional Catholicism. What this group proposes is in direct contradiction to traditional Catholicism, the country’s Cardinal and Pope himself. Are you looking to discuss or dispute their report?
I only hope they abide by canon 249 of the Canon Law:So, by extrapolation, any opinion that is posted on the Traditional Catholic Forum, no matter how misinterpreted, biased or just plain wrong, is okay as long as it supports only “traditional catholicism.”
Like it or not, there ARE educated, well-trained, devoted liturgists in the Catholic world. Apparently, under the umbrella of an Episcopal committee of the Filipino Bishops, these liturgists are getting together to agree about the future direction of the Filipino liturgies, to be celebrated IN the Philippines so as to incorporate and honor their own, specific culture.
I’m certain they’re going to be heartbroken that you don’t approve.
Can. 249 The Charter of Priestly Formation is to provide that the students are not only taught their native language accurately, but are also well versed in latin, and have a suitable knowledge of other languages which would appear to be necessary or useful for their formation or for the exercise of their pastoral ministry.
That’s precisely my point. There’s one Church, one God, one Truth.All I will say is that Catholicism there is far different from Catholicism here.
That’s a false extrapolation. What do you claim is misinterpreted, biased and plain wrong?So, by extrapolation, any opinion that is posted on the Traditional Catholic Forum, no matter how misinterpreted, biased or just plain wrong, is okay as long as it supports only “traditional catholicism.”
Its time for you to travel around the world and realize that practices everywhere around the world are different from country to country, culture to culture. That is the way it is, its not unique to the Philippines, its not unique to Canada, every country celebrates their faith in a different way. We are one in faith, not one in language, not one in culture.That’s precisely my point. There’s one Church, one God, one Truth.
I haven’t taken anything out of context. I posted the entire letter.
They don’t even require Latin in seminaries in the US. Its completely optional. I just learned this from Bro. JR last night while reading his post I think on the Vocations forum.I only hope they abide by canon 249 of the Canon Law:
Is it? How do you know if I’ve been to the Philippenes or other countries around the world?Its time for you to travel around the world and realize that practices everywhere around the world are different from country to country, culture to culture. That is the way it is, its not unique to the Philippines, its not unique to Canada, every country celebrates their faith in a different way. We are one in faith, not one in language, not one in culture.
You don’t speak like it. You are expecting a uniformity in practices and belief. While the liturgy itself is uniform, it doesn’t take long for one to realize in church in another country that there are many different practices and traditions that are adhered to locally.Is it? How do you know if I’ve been to the Philippenes or other countries around the world?
I’m always saying, we are one in faith. We are not one because of a language, or culture. We are one because of our Faith in Christ.It’s a moot point anyway. We’re supposed to be the Catholic Church, not any particular variation. Isn’t that your advice in the Charismatic thread?
Not agreeing with you doesn’t mean I didn’t read your sources. I know the point was to convince me, but it didn’t.FYI: I’m not watching your videos and you’ve proven in the past not to read other people’s sources. No one is bashing your country anyway. What is being questioned is the desire by some people to customize the liturgy and practices. I thought you were Canadian, eh?
We try but remember lex orandi, lex credendi.We are one in faith, not one in language, not one in culture.
But again, the Church isn’t Latin onlyWe try but remember lex orandi, lex credendi.