projector screen to display text hymns?

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It seems that we should be the ones worshipping God, not build machines that do that for us. Machines don’t have hearts. 😉
Machines like amplifiers for the Priest’s voice and air pumps for the pipe organ?😉

The technology to use projectors tastefully is relatively new. It will take a while for some to become comfortable with it as I suspect there were some who did not approve of indoor toilets in a church building, electric lights, etc.

…Frankly, I’d be okay with a true back-to-basics Church with no plumbing or electricity, and only woodstoves or fireplaces for heat (if in a region that needs heat), no printed material for the parishoners of any sort, etc. Any instrumentation would be built without modern machine work - no perfect metal wires for harps or pianos, only human powreed-pumps for the organ. I’d be down with that. If we’re going to allow 20th century technology in our Churhes I see no reason not to allow 21st cetury technology.
 
The screens are not used during the Mass. I don’t see anything wrong with using them for conferences or relayng other info.
Those screens in that parish are absolutely used for Mass!! That is their main use - I used to belong to this parish, I know this.

As for holding ANYTHING other than Mass in the Church…well, that’s a topic for another thread I suppose. Don’t get me started on that!!! 😉

~Liza
 
how about a pew-by-pew mini-LCD screens like on most airlines nowadays?
I don’t think this would work well, since most pews are bench-style, rather than chairs. The result is that you can’t predict exactly where on the bench someone will be sitting - it varies depending on how crowded the church is, how thick or thin the parishioners are, and so on. Also, a lot of the occasions for using a printed guide of whatever sort during mass are when we are standing - so the mini screens would have to rise up on posts to be easily read from a standing position. Or I suppose dropped down from the ceiling, if it was practical in the particular church. Or you could have a bunch of loose tablets/PDAs in each pew, just as we have loose hymnals and missals today. I’d like to see how long those last, in the Philippines or anywhere else!
 
Or you could have a bunch of loose tablets/PDAs in each pew, just as we have loose hymnals and missals today. I’d like to see how long those last, in the Philippines or anywhere else!
Now this I absolutely do see happening. Perhaps not in my lifetime (I’m 46 this year), but eventually I do see this sort of technology taking the place of printed matter.

But right now, in 2010, I don’t like seeing massive screens dropping out of the ceiling when I’m at Mass. I would not mind if someone handed me a tablet with the hymns on it, I just think the jumbotron at Mass is over the top, not necessary, and distracting.

~Liza
 
I don’t think this would work well, since most pews are bench-style, rather than chairs. The result is that you can’t predict exactly where on the bench someone will be sitting - it varies depending on how crowded the church is, how thick or thin the parishioners are, and so on. Also, a lot of the occasions for using a printed guide of whatever sort during mass are when we are standing - so the mini screens would have to rise up on posts to be easily read from a standing position. Or I suppose dropped down from the ceiling, if it was practical in the particular church. Or you could have a bunch of loose tablets/PDAs in each pew, just as we have loose hymnals and missals today. I’d like to see how long those last, in the Philippines or anywhere else!
it depends how well they hook up the LCD screens and would probably have to encase it in fiberglass 😃

by the way, earlier i was waiting for my wife at a trainstation and i decided to fiddle around with my windows mobile cellphone. i was able to lookup a site with the daily Mass readings in simple text format for phones but it wasn’t a full missal, just the readings. but that would work for me because i don’t really look at the missals except for the readings and psalms
 
Now this I absolutely do see happening. Perhaps not in my lifetime (I’m 46 this year), but eventually I do see this sort of technology taking the place of printed matter.

But right now, in 2010, I don’t like seeing massive screens dropping out of the ceiling when I’m at Mass. I would not mind if someone handed me a tablet with the hymns on it, I just think the jumbotron at Mass is over the top, not necessary, and distracting.

~Liza
a Kindle would work in Mass, since its a dedicated book reader. you don’t have to worry about people playing Facebook games during Mass on Kindle
 
I don’t understand this. Why would someone look cool (or think they look cool) because they are reading off a PDA instead of a book or pamphlet? That doesn’t make sense.

My husband is a systems administrator, and he is constantly on the computer. If he is on call and takes a ticket, he’ll sit in a restaurant or at the ice skating rink for several hours working, using his computer. This isn’t anything cool. Its just the way things are in the 21st Century. We get much of our information from a computer, and computers are often small. I don’t see what’s cool about everyday life. My daughters are the same way–my older daughter especially is constantly referring to her hand-held.

For years, my husband has used a Palm Pilot to read the Bible in church (Protestant). Maybe when those devices first came out, people noticed. But honestly, no one cared. What’s the difference–book, Palm, missal, overhead–they’re all just devices to read the Word of God.

Now if someone unrolled a scroll, or broke a wax seal and opened a large leather-bound book full of manuscript written in ink by a fountain-pen, and read the chant or the Scriptures–then I would be staring at them and thinking how utterly cool they are!
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Would they be in the way when we kneel?
if it comes to that, they will definitely have to make it in a way it doesn’t get in the way

by the way, if they replace Lectionaries and Missals with handheld devices, would the priest kiss the device before and after reading the Word of God?
 
by the way, if they replace Lectionaries and Missals with handheld devices, would the priest kiss the device before and after reading the Word of God?
:crying::crying::crying:

That would be a sad day.

~Liza
 
I am not sure, but think this started with the mega churches that seat thousands. When that comes to my parish, I am out of there. Why can’t the Church just stay Catholic, as from some of the innovations parishes are just following the protestants.

If I wanted to be a protestant I could find thousands of them. Is there no end to this mess?

Pretty soon they will have stages and bands playing and everyone clapping and prancing around on stage. At least when I have attended mega churches that is what I see.

It is a slippery slope that some parishes are going down. At least that is my opinion.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
If I wanted to be a protestant I could find thousands of them. Is there no end to this mess?

Pretty soon they will have stages and bands playing and everyone clapping and prancing around on stage. At least when I have attended mega churches that is what I see.
Indeed. I’ve been to some Masses which resembled a town hall meeting with a few prayers.
 
I’ve seen one in the Florida Keys with a projection screen. Even back then, when I was more of a wavery Catholic, I got so upset at how wrong it was, which carried over when I heard about plans in a local parish to put one in too. 😦

I’m so done with tacky Catholicism. Blech.
 
I am not sure, but think this started with the mega churches that seat thousands. When that comes to my parish, I am out of there. Why can’t the Church just stay Catholic, as from some of the innovations parishes are just following the protestants.

If I wanted to be a protestant I could find thousands of them. Is there no end to this mess?

Pretty soon they will have stages and bands playing and everyone clapping and prancing around on stage. At least when I have attended mega churches that is what I see.

It is a slippery slope that some parishes are going down. At least that is my opinion.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
No, that’s not true at all.

Many smaller Protestant churches started using projection screens back in the 1960s and 1970s to put the words of hymns up on a screen, often along with beautiful pictures of sacred scenes or nature. It was called “multi-media,” and I thought back then that it was very beautiful. The idea was to get the congregation to get their heads out of the hymnal and look UP to God and think about Him, and also to emphasize the words of the hymns rather than allowing people to get caught up in the music and the “feelings.” Evangelical churches especially emphasize complete understanding–they tend towards easily-comprehensible sermons in the language of their congregation and a de-emphasis on emotional hype with no substance.

Catholic churches have used the same principle for centuries, decorating their churches with portraits, statues, and beautiful architecture that draw a worshipper to look up, up into heaven. Even the ceilings are decorated in many Catholic (and older Protestant) churches.

My problem with projecting the words of hymns onto a screen is that there is no music, so those of us who rely on music to sing have a difficult time. But Catholic missallettes do the same thing–print the words only with no music. I really dislike this practice and think it is one of the things that contributes to poor singing. But then, that’s my bad–I just have a very hard time singing by ear. I have to learn to pay attention and exercise and try to improve my “musical memory” skills, which are extremely poor.

The big megachurches use screens because it’s more practical than putting thousands of hymnals into the pews. In fact, many of the megachurches don’t even have pews, they have chairs. The problem with chairs is those built-in racks for hymns (under the chairs)–when people tilt their seat forward or back (many people do this out of habit without even thinking about it), the hymnals fall out–clunk! Distraction!

Also, in the megachurches, everything is new and untattered and nice, and hymnals begin to look shabby after only a few months of use. The megachurches do not like to have anything that looks “shabby” in their buildings. They want to be new and pretty and fresh and give the appearance of success and excitement.

Also, the megachurches are trying to get away from any traditional church trappings because these tend to scare away the unchurched. Megachurches are attempting a “new way to do church,” and they are trying to attract the non-believers and others who have never been interested in “church” and “tradition.” There are quite a few people like this in the U.S., people who would never enter the doors of a “church,” but who are willing to enter a “worship center” or a “community gathering place” that doesn’t look like a church.

I know some Catholic criticize this. Well, how do you propose to reach out to our secular society and draw them to Christ? They have to start somewhere, and IMO, if these churches get someone in the door and learning about Jesus, they are doing more good than harm. The problem is, of course, that Christians are leaving their own traditional churches and going to the megachurch, and that’s not good.

Another reason that churches use screens is that sadly, many churches have discovered that people vandalize the hymnals. In the church that I grew up in, the hymnals were being vandalized with Satanic or pornographic drawings and messages. So it’s safer to just not use them. I’m not sure why this doesn’t happen in Catholic churches–maybe the Presence of the Lord Jesus is enough to deter vandals from even coming into the church, let alone vandalizing a hymnal.
 
No, that’s not true at all.

Many smaller Protestant churches started using projection screens back in the 1960s and 1970s to put the words of hymns up on a screen, often along with beautiful pictures of sacred scenes or nature. It was called “multi-media,” and I thought back then that it was very beautiful. The idea was to get the congregation to get their heads out of the hymnal and look UP to God and think about Him, and also to emphasize the words of the hymns rather than allowing people to get caught up in the music and the “feelings.” Evangelical churches especially emphasize complete understanding–they tend towards easily-comprehensible sermons in the language of their congregation and a de-emphasis on emotional hype with no substance.

Catholic churches have used the same principle for centuries, decorating their churches with portraits, statues, and beautiful architecture that draw a worshipper to look up, up into heaven. Even the ceilings are decorated in many Catholic (and older Protestant) churches.

My problem with projecting the words of hymns onto a screen is that there is no music, so those of us who rely on music to sing have a difficult time. But Catholic missallettes do the same thing–print the words only with no music. I really dislike this practice and think it is one of the things that contributes to poor singing. But then, that’s my bad–I just have a very hard time singing by ear. I have to learn to pay attention and exercise and try to improve my “musical memory” skills, which are extremely poor.

The big megachurches use screens because it’s more practical than putting thousands of hymnals into the pews. In fact, many of the megachurches don’t even have pews, they have chairs. The problem with chairs is those built-in racks for hymns (under the chairs)–when people tilt their seat forward or back (many people do this out of habit without even thinking about it), the hymnals fall out–clunk! Distraction!

Also, in the megachurches, everything is new and untattered and nice, and hymnals begin to look shabby after only a few months of use. The megachurches do not like to have anything that looks “shabby” in their buildings. They want to be new and pretty and fresh and give the appearance of success and excitement.

Also, the megachurches are trying to get away from any traditional church trappings because these tend to scare away the unchurched. Megachurches are attempting a “new way to do church,” and they are trying to attract the non-believers and others who have never been interested in “church” and “tradition.” There are quite a few people like this in the U.S., people who would never enter the doors of a “church,” but who are willing to enter a “worship center” or a “community gathering place” that doesn’t look like a church.

I know some Catholic criticize this. Well, how do you propose to reach out to our secular society and draw them to Christ? They have to start somewhere, and IMO, if these churches get someone in the door and learning about Jesus, they are doing more good than harm. The problem is, of course, that Christians are leaving their own traditional churches and going to the megachurch, and that’s not good.

Another reason that churches use screens is that sadly, many churches have discovered that people vandalize the hymnals. In the church that I grew up in, the hymnals were being vandalized with Satanic or pornographic drawings and messages. So it’s safer to just not use them. I’m not sure why this doesn’t happen in Catholic churches–maybe the Presence of the Lord Jesus is enough to deter vandals from even coming into the church, let alone vandalizing a hymnal.
Your post is interesting. In response to someone who doesn’t like or understand something so they label it as “Protestant” out of ignorance or bigotry – as if that judgment is universally bad.

I think AV is a great thing in churches – if it’s implemented well and used judiciously. All too many people judge this and other topics with their worst personal experiences and cannot get past that so they seem to often render bigoted information that does the Church disservice.
 
I am not sure, but think this started with the mega churches that seat thousands. When that comes to my parish, I am out of there. Why can’t the Church just stay Catholic, as from some of the innovations parishes are just following the protestants.

If I wanted to be a protestant I could find thousands of them. Is there no end to this mess?

Pretty soon they will have stages and bands playing and everyone clapping and prancing around on stage. At least when I have attended mega churches that is what I see.

It is a slippery slope that some parishes are going down. At least that is my opinion.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
its not about becoming more Protestant. its about becoming part of today’s world. why can’t the Church take advantage of modern technology to help its Evangelization of the world? the Vatican has a website. we don’t need to be stuck in the dark ages. God made man to be able to accomplish these things and incorporating it into our worship offers our talents and achievements to God and shows that everything we do is for His glory
 
Many smaller Protestant churches started using projection screens back in the 1960s and 1970s to put the words of hymns up on a screen, often along with beautiful pictures of sacred scenes or nature. It was called “multi-media,” and I thought back then that it was very beautiful.
I believe it was the TV sing alongs with Rev. Schuler and Mitch Miller that made the practice popular, with a bouncing ball on the words to boot.
 
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