Prolifers how would you answer this? Women should be allowed abortion because

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Abortion is always the killing of a human being.
Pulling the arms and legs off the body. A live person.
There is nothing more gruesome than maybe when they fed people to hungry lions at the colosseum.

When a couple are dating, the decision to have sex means that the woman is agreeing to take on all the risks of sex which includes sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy. There is no way around it. There is risk. There is risk to her health, her relationship (is the guy going to dump her if she’s pregnant?) to her continuing education or current job, her health insurance, etc. If there is a serious issue that she cannot get pregnant right now, then the only way to insure that she does not get pregnant is to abstain from sex. That’s just how it is. That’s a conversation worth having with your partner before things heat up. Be smart about it. This is your life. Don’t make a train wreck of it.
 
Not wanting to mess with something isn’t a legitimate reason to kill. Second, pregnancy and birth, while taxing, are both natural. What is more taxing and not natural is having your offspring sucked out of you and/or the inside of your uterus scraped with a curettes to remove remains. And that will certainly mess you up mentally more than birth or pregnancy.
 
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How would you answer cases of rape?

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Abortion does not and never will make the rape un-happen. A rape victim before abortion is still a rape victim afterward. All abortion does is execute the unborn human being for the crime of the father.

Hopefully these women can learn their true options and choices they have for themselves and their unborn both in support and care. Abortion is the result of society’s absolute failure to provide and to inform women of these options to care for themselves and their unborn.

The same answer applies to women considering abortion because of what pregnancy does to their body. They and their unborn child are not alone and should not feel like they are.
 
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Well, I am not the one who said that, but I imagine that you liked what I said less 😉

However, I would say that to someone with whom I was discussing the issue of abortion. I would not say that to someone who seriously expressed that as a fear, altho this is the first time I have ever heard of that fear in relation to abortion, usually only in the context of having a baby in the future, like I use ABC because I don’t want to have a baby and ruin my figure.

Part of the problem, as I see it, is that so many of us have very little exposure to babies in real life.
 
ETA: I do believe in being very kind to people in distress.
 
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  1. Not everyone wants to deal with child birth and it can mess with you mentally and physically.
  2. Same as number 1 but with pregnancy messing your body up and mind for life.
I’m prolife by the way.
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Being aborted will also mess with you mentally and physically, and mess up your body. Pretty catastrophically.

The entire pro life position is based on the idea that the baby in utero is a human being. Do you think people should be allowed to murder an innocent in order to save themselves psychological and physical stress?

This is a really silly argument, at least if you accept pro-life premises.
 
There are a lot of people who make life annoying, difficult, and painful, but we don’t just go around murdering them.

Unless they are helpless babies as well as our closest relatives. Then it is okay, right?

If you cannot trust someone not to panic and kill a baby, or to help someone else kill a baby in cold blood, how can you trust that person at all?

If they are unrepentant, are they safe neighbors or friends? Won’t they also want to off their elders or any disabled persons around them? After all, they know best.

And how can you trust a society that has qualms about, say, executing a brutal serial killer, but which actively encourages people to kill babies rather than put them up for adoption?

The truth of the matter seems to be that willing abortion is an externalization of self-hatred, coupled with a sort of outsourced cutting. Women panic and do something crazy, but society helps them do it.

But of course, many abortions are done under duress, with the woman or girl forced into it by a parent or boyfriend. That is straight up murder.
 
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If an attacker is only going to inflict minor injuries but not life threatening or serious permanent injuries then killing the attacker would be disproportionate self defence &thus immoral. Hence, if birth will only course minor injuries then killing would be immoral, even if the child was somehow an aggressor.
Pregnancy could be a form of mental torture, & labour pains could be a form of actual torture. I can’t answer these.
The damages suffered by the mother are unintended, so it’s dubious if bystanders can be necessarily held responsible for them.
 
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We acknowledge that this is a possibility and help the women to accept her body if it becomes disfigured.
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Exactly. Trying to act like the bad parts of pregnancy don’t exist will only benefit the pro choice movement.
 
I’ll bite, most of you know that my wife and I are carriers for sma type 1.

Which is why she is comfortable being a catholic on birth control We are told the amniocentesis is positive. Continue the pregnancy which is a guaranteed death sentence or abort? I’ve asked my parents this question who also both are carriers if testing was available 30 years ago would they have aborted my two siblings. They answered yes.

The death of two children in three years drove my dad from the pulpit for a couple of years and almost ruined my parents marriage. As both felt like they had failed in the simplest task.
 
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When you say guaranteed death sentence, do you mean a death sentence, for the baby, the mother, or both?
 
At the end of the day, nobody here can give the go-ahead either for ABC or for abortion.
 
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Not everyone wants to deal with child birth and it can mess with you mentally and physically.
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Then not everyone should engage in the marital act. Once someone decides to engage in it, they implicitly accept all of the ‘consequences’ (for lack of a better term; I generally don’t like to consider children “consequences”) that come with it.
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Same as number 1 but with pregnancy messing your body up and mind for life.
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Same response.
 
SMA type 1 is a fatal genetic condition. Spinal muscular atrophy. Most children do not survive past age two with the condition. There is no cure, but there have recently been some groundbreaking treatments approved.

My aunt lost three children to sma type 1. My husband and I considered getting genetic testing to see if we were carriers before we got married, we thought we might break off the engagement if we both were. Ultimately we didn’t and I turned out not to be a carrier when I got tested later.
 
Yes, you are misreading it.

The poster is asking how pro life people would respond to certain statements.
 
Yes, girls live longer then boys on average my little sister lived 4 months, my brother lived 6 weeks.
 
strech marks are a very minor side effect of pregnancy!
it should not be a debate at all when you have already had kids.

We can always hide them with clothes.
Or show them to someone who is childless and fear them, because it is not so hoorible.

Seriousely, pregnancy beras much more serious consequence.

And NO! stretchs marks are not the fault of the woman! there is not proven effective way to prevent them!
 
My aunt’s two oldest children both passed before six months. But she was able to get her youngest daughter into some clinical trials very quickly and she survived until almost her seventh birthday.

Two years later there was a huge breakthrough with Spinraza and another drug that I’m forgetting the name of.
 
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