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FollowChrist34
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Agreed. It is far from a good situation when Catholic teaching is an offense to many in a diocese - everyone is afraid to say a word.
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phil19034
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Please sign this open letter to be placed in the SF newspaper thanking Pope Francis for +Archbishop Cordileone.
lifesitenews.com/petitions/pope-francis-thank-you-for-archbishop-cordileone/559304
lifesitenews.com/petitions/pope-francis-thank-you-for-archbishop-cordileone/559304
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FollowChrist34
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Done.
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estesbob
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So do you think Dominican Nuns are minions of Pope Benedict setting out to wreck havoc on San Fransisco?I don’t think it was PE Benedict that arranged this appointment, but his minions that knew this would be one of their last opportunities to wreck havoc in San Francisco. The Bishop that Papa Francis appointed to be Bishop of San Diego would have been perfect since he was part of the community and has a pastoral style of governing. I certainly don’t see the AB being transferred, but I do see years in SF when little or nothing will be accomplished in that huge Diocese.
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FollowChrist34
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This is so fantastic I am tempted to renew my subscription to First Things!!! (just dropped it because I wasn’t reading through it every month - laziness - no quibble
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kozlosap
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What I mean is that this appointment was a disaster waiting to happen. The good sisters have nothing to do with personnel issues. Those of you who are in large business situations “know” that it does make a difference who your CEO is in regards to the environment and work ethics at said organization. The AB rode into The City with both guns drawn and an attitude of “SF is evil”. You don’t think that this attitude was a slap in the face to the Catholic family, both lay and religious? I’m sure that the good AB really believes that he is a Knight on his steed riding in to save that Whore of Babylon, San Francisco, but SF has been a Catholic enclave for 165 years and does not need saving. The LGBTQ citizens are not going to move and their families and friends are no going to change their heartfelt beliefs about the situation.
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So the nuns are too stupid to know this?What I mean is that this appointment was a disaster waiting to happen. The good sisters have nothing to do with personnel issues. Those of you who are in large business situations “know” that it does make a difference who your CEO is in regards to the environment and work ethics at said organization. The AB rode into The City with both guns drawn and an attitude of “SF is evil”. You don’t think that this attitude was a slap in the face to the Catholic family, both lay and religious? I’m sure that the good AB really believes that he is a Knight on his steed riding in to save that Whore of Babylon, San Francisco, but SF has been a Catholic enclave for 165 years and does not need saving. The LGBTQ citizens are not going to move and their families and friends are no going to change their heartfelt beliefs about the situation.
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What would be an alternative situation?What I mean is that this appointment was a disaster waiting to happen. The good sisters have nothing to do with personnel issues. Those of you who are in large business situations “know” that it does make a difference who your CEO is in regards to the environment and work ethics at said organization. The AB rode into The City with both guns drawn and an attitude of “SF is evil”. You don’t think that this attitude was a slap in the face to the Catholic family, both lay and religious? I’m sure that the good AB really believes that he is a Knight on his steed riding in to save that Whore of Babylon, San Francisco, but SF has been a Catholic enclave for 165 years and does not need saving. The LGBTQ citizens are not going to move and their families and friends are no going to change their heartfelt beliefs about the situation.
What would an “ideal” SF archbishop be like?
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kozlosap
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Bob, what is your point about the Nun’s? They had every right to walk out on the Day of Silence, just as those who wished to participate did.
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estesbob
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It would appear from reading this thread that the only qualified Bishop would be one that was not Catholic
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estesbob
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Sorry .Wrong thread:shrug:Bob, what is your point about the Nun’s? They had every right to walk out on the Day of Silence, just as those who wished to participate did.
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kozlosap
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Just a bishop who is more pastoral in behavior such as the Bishop that was appointed to San Diego. He was beloved by many Catholics in the Bay Area.
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Jon_S_1
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Perhaps one of the strangest posts I’ve ever read.What I mean is that this appointment was a disaster waiting to happen. The good sisters have nothing to do with personnel issues. Those of you who are in large business situations “know” that it does make a difference who your CEO is in regards to the environment and work ethics at said organization. The AB rode into The City with both guns drawn and an attitude of “SF is evil”. You don’t think that this attitude was a slap in the face to the Catholic family, both lay and religious? I’m sure that the good AB really believes that he is a Knight on his steed riding in to save that Whore of Babylon, San Francisco, but SF has been a Catholic enclave for 165 years and does not need saving. The LGBTQ citizens are not going to move and their families and friends are no going to change their heartfelt beliefs about the situation.
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Have you considered that possibly the Archdiocese was already a disaster area when +Cordileone took the reins? It seems remarkable that someone doing such relatively small things to uphold Church teaching should meet with such surprise, shock, and backlash. Your description of the Archbishop is as uncharitable as it is inaccurate. Those who know this man by his words and actions know him to be thoughtful and caring. If Catholics in the area are unwilling to “change their heartfelt beliefs” that oppose the Catholic Church, then I am not sure what to suggest for them, because this is a Church that does not change her teachings. She will be around long after these people and their heresies are dead and gone, and she will be teaching the same things she always has. Anyone who plans to play a game of “chicken” with the Church is bound to lose.What I mean is that this appointment was a disaster waiting to happen. The good sisters have nothing to do with personnel issues. Those of you who are in large business situations “know” that it does make a difference who your CEO is in regards to the environment and work ethics at said organization. The AB rode into The City with both guns drawn and an attitude of “SF is evil”. You don’t think that this attitude was a slap in the face to the Catholic family, both lay and religious? I’m sure that the good AB really believes that he is a Knight on his steed riding in to save that Whore of Babylon, San Francisco, but SF has been a Catholic enclave for 165 years and does not need saving. The LGBTQ citizens are not going to move and their families and friends are no going to change their heartfelt beliefs about the situation.
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kozlosap
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Where did I imply that? A bishop with the pastoral affect such as Papa Francis would be a better fit for a complex city such as San Francisco. I truly do not believe that Pope Francis would have placed AB Cordeleone in San Francisco had he had the opportunity.
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What makes a bishop more pastoral in terms of LGBT issues? For instance, what does he have to do or profess to make him pastoral to the Catholic community in San Francisco?Just a bishop who is more pastoral in behavior such as the Bishop that was appointed to San Diego. He was beloved by many Catholics in the Bay Area.
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kozlosap
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Without a doubt, I’m strange!
My main concern when reading about the entire mess in SF is not the personnel handbook for teachers which requires that they follow every Catholic rule, in both public teaching life and in their own private lives, even if they are not Catholic. So, if one follows that handbook, if another staff member observes you taking a birth control pill and reports you to the administration, you can be fired for cause. I find it hard to believe that there is another huge city diocese that has these rules. The incident at STAR of the Sea Parish where the AB literally gave said parish to two über conservative priests from small towns is most disturbing.
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So you expect the Church to backtrack on its teachings.Without a doubt, I’m strange!
My main concern when reading about the entire mess in SF is not the personnel handbook for teachers which requires that they follow every Catholic rule, in both public teaching life and in their own private lives, even if they are not Catholic. So, if one follows that handbook, if another staff member observes you taking a birth control pill and reports you to the administration, you can be fired for cause. I find it hard to believe that there is another huge city diocese that has these rules. The incident at STAR of the Sea Parish where the AB literally gave said parish to two über conservative priests from small towns is most disturbing.
It’s cool to think of Francis as this pastoral guy who will invite all to the campfire and sing hymns. But Jorge Bergoglio fought gay marriage head on in Argentina. Not sure that would have won him any plaudits with the SF crowd.
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Jon_S_1
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The handbook requires that teachers not advocate against church teaching in a public manner. Someone noticing someone taking a birth control pill does not meet this standard, especially since these pills can be taken for medical reasons in line with church teaching.Without a doubt, I’m strange!
My main concern when reading about the entire mess in SF is not the personnel handbook for teachers which requires that they follow every Catholic rule, in both public teaching life and in their own private lives, even if they are not Catholic. So, if one follows that handbook, if another staff member observes you taking a birth control pill and reports you to the administration, you can be fired for cause. I find it hard to believe that there is another huge city diocese that has these rules. The incident at STAR of the Sea Parish where the AB literally gave said parish to two über conservative priests from small towns is most disturbing.
As for Star of the Sea Parish. There is no problem in saying no altar girls…it’s one parish in the diocese…it’s up to the pastor, it’s the norm throughout most of the world. When was the last time you saw a girl altar server in one of pope Francis’ masses?
I have no problem with girl altar servers, my parish is conservative and has quite a few. I don’t really think it is per se hurting vocations or anything like is often said, but I think if girl altar servers are used they should try to have an even mix of girls and boys so it’s not seen as something “girls do”. Or as my 5year old daughter mentioned once “when do I get to wear a pretty dress with the girls up there?”
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