Prompt Baptism of Infants Urged -Canon 770

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Your “question” is vague. What is a “Church doctrine”? Are you asking if limbo (infantium) has been defined? Or is it taught by the Church? The statement “obligated to believe and accept” is also vague. Do you mean with a divine and Catholic Faith? Or Ecclesiastical faith? Assent of certitude? Assent of religious obedience?
Do you have the answers to those questions? It would help us a lot. We’d like to know just what it is we believe (or are supposed to believe). Please, be helpful!
If you can say, “I don’t believe in limbo (infantium)” … can you also say “unbaptised infants go to heaven” without denying a defined dogma?
Unbaptized infants can go to heaven if God supplies for their defect of not being baptized. Has the Church said He does or does not do that?
 
lillydew,

A theological discussion is easier to carry on without knowing that my answer might hurt or discourage a person with a very real stake in the matter. How one answers a person in a situation must be done with gentleness, with no taint of my silly love of pursuit of truth and ideas. I came on the thread to discuss ideas, learn things, etc. This is why I did not answer you, so perhaps others were concerned as well for similar reasons.

I cannot claim to know the fate of your dear child. Truly, I do not know. I do trust God to be true to Justice. Mercy and Justice are much related, so just because I mention Justice does not mean Mercy is not near at hand. I do not think God’s way are our ways, though. It is God who will enact true Justice. I am a human. I cannot say what his idea of Justice is. That is my answer to you, I cannot say for sure, but whatever it is, it will be Just. He will not overlook any aspect.

However, if you want my silly human opinion, I tend to wonder if St. Augustine might not have something valuable to say, so I’m on the outs with most everyone here. (He is known for a “harsh” answer in this situation…) But I have not thought upon the issue for years. I read him long ago. If I went back and pursued the matter with diligence at this time, I don’t know if I would tend the same or reject everything he says out of hand. I grew up having vast troubles understanding hell (I was raised by a Universalist) and it has been a hard road to come to grips with many aspects of Church teaching. This past perhaps colors how I answer questions. I probably have not come to live with it all by the same route as another would.

But what I think hardly matters to anyone. Listen to what the Church tells you and trust God, who is ever faithful.
Sorry to interrupt, but just realized Pug might be a female - the response to you Pug, is just the same, just change the gender words! Apologies!!!
As you were saying…
 
Your “question” is vague. What is a “Church doctrine”? Are you asking if limbo (infantium) has been defined? Or is it taught by the Church?

The statement “obligated to believe and accept” is also vague. Do you mean with a divine and Catholic Faith? Or Ecclesiastical faith? Assent of certitude? Assent of religious obedience?

If you can say, “I don’t believe in limbo (infantium)” … can you also say “unbaptised infants go to heaven” without denying a defined dogma?

SFD
Why are you still ducking the question?

The CCC contains all the teachings (doctrines and disciplines) of the Church that Catholics **must accept and obey **(even if these teachings are not fully understood). This means it is a grave sin to reject one or more of these teachings (heresy in fact).

Back to limbo (infantium). Catholics have always been free to accept or reject the idea of limbo (infantium) and those who chose not to believe it were not committing any sin because it was only ever a theological hypothesis and not a must be believed Church doctrine. Whether any particular Pope, Cardinal, Bishop or Priest believed in it and “taught” it is not relevant as it was never an official Church teaching.

As for my own position, I do not believe in limbo (infantium). I accept the the Church’s official teaching which is to leave the souls of the dead unbaptised children to God’s mercy. I believe God will show mercy and take them straight into heaven.
 
Why are you so scared to answer yes or no to a very simple question? You are not answering the question by copying and pasting information that does not answer the question.
The fact you refuse to answer yes or no simply means you know you are wrong but don’t like to admit it.

In case you didn’t understand the question I will give you another chance.

**Are you telling us that limbo (infantium) was a **Church doctrine ****that Catholics were **obligated to believe and accept. **
YES or NO.

I’ll give you a clue. The answer is NO!
SFD has chosen to ignore many post vatican II documents in the past.

Theology is as much a science as history is: There is a process, and plenty of room for human error within the process, of examining the data and drawing conclusions.

His claimed “unanimity” did not exist. Rome recently publicly decided it does not.

religionnewsblog.com/18025/limbo
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0506867.htm
seattlecatholic.com/a051207.html
dioceseoflincoln.org/purple/limbo/index.htm

It was a widely popular Roman theologumenon. It gave solace to many. But it isn’t valid. (not that it’s impossible that God has mercy upon unbatized infants, we just do not have any real evidence, especially not from scripture.
 
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Aramis:
SFD has chosen to ignore many post vatican II documents in the past.
I have read and quoted the ITC document. There is no theological basic for it’s “hope”. They have said so.

Is the ITC commission report binding as well? What exactly does it “teach”?

SFD
 
You can keep repeating this if you like.

SFD
A person with integrity would be honest enough to answer the question.
Not much point in keeping asking someone scared to admit limbo (infantium) has never been an official Church teaching.
 
A person with integrity would be honest enough to answer the question.
Not much point in keeping asking someone scared to admit limbo (infantium) has never been an official Church teaching.
For the benefit of those of us who lack integrity and honesty…could you please define what it meant by “official Church teaching”?

SFD
 
For the benefit of those of us who lack integrity and honesty…could you please define what it meant by “official Church teaching”?

SFD
The totality of what is taught as doctrine and dogma by the current magisterium.

Reading and rejecting that which the magisterium puts forth is still a form of ignoring.
 
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