Proof for praying to saints

[twb1621]

**twb, I would hope not! :tsktsk: Be nice. I rather think it is another problem. A couple of the other posters asked me to approach you about it. Can I ask you a question? It is asked with brotherly love (I am from philly)!
The “others” wanted to know eeerrrr … do you bathe? I mean … eerrrr…often? There has been these odor rumors.

You don’t have to answer, just correct the problem and maybe they will talk to you again.

God Bless**

Ok, now you really lost me, I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Perhaps I need to use smileys more often? What do you mean anyway? Could it be my breath?

 

[BMSODM]

Sorry that I haven’t been responsive but lately I’ve been in poor health and other situations arose that I couldn’t follow up on some questions I had so it may appear disjointed. I am trying to find my way back to RC but keep hitting the same road blocks that caused me to leave RC in the first place. I just need clarification to some questions.

In the above quote from a response and I hope it comes out right, my question is that people in third world countries who have limited theological background and may have come from worshiping other deities really know the difference between the concept of worship and veneration. I have seen a statue of the Virgin Mary being paraded around with local villagers tossing flowers at the statue and touching it as though it had special curative powers. In my opinion, this can cause indigenous people to fall in idolatry as God commands that He alone is to be worshiped and I don’t believe that many villagers can make that distinction which can leave themselves open to demonic deception and a corruption of clear orthodox doctrine which is one of the reason among Protestant brethren for objecting to this practice.

Finally, in the New Testament Paul states categorically over and over again that all believers are saints which is irrefutable…to many references to post. So where does the RC based their practice on canonization in scripture where only people who the RC believes led a holy life while on earth and when prayed too perform a require number of miraculous interventions are canonized or considered as saints? According to St. Paul, all who have died in Christ are saints.

2 Cor 1:1
To the church of God in Corinth, together with all the saints throughout Achaia:

Rom 15:25-27
Now, however, I am on my way to Jerusalem in the service of the saints there. 26 For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem.

Eco**

I’m sorry to hear about your health. May God grant you the graces needed to endure the suffering your undergoing at this time and may He unite it to the cross for the conversion of sinners.

I could address your questions but I feel a more important question is needed. I’m concerned to why you left the RC to begin with? The only reason that you would leave is because you don’t beleive in the Eucharist. Because if you did beleive in it there would be nothing that could ever seperate you from the precious Body and Blood.

This is were you need to reconcile first and foremost, the other things will follow…

Peace unto you***

 

[guanophore]

my question is that people in third world countries who have limited theological background and may have come from worshiping other deities really know the difference between the concept of worship and veneration. I have seen a statue of the Virgin Mary being paraded around with local villagers tossing flowers at the statue and touching it as though it had special curative powers.

You concern is good. There is always a risk of people misunderstanding. In the book of Acts, we see that Paul and Barnabas where treated like “gods” by the Lyconains, and islanders of Malta also thought Paul must be a god. Proper catechesis is essential. God’s healing power does flown through inanimate objects, and this has been happening since the beginning of time. I don’t think that Jesus is at all concerned about people admiring His Mother. After all, He does!

and even In my opinion, this can cause indigenous people to fall in idolatry as God commands that He alone is to be worshiped and I don’t believe that many villagers can make that distinction which can leave themselves open to demonic deception and a corruption of clear orthodox doctrine which is one of the reason among Protestant brethren for objecting to this practice.

It is not possible to “fall” into idolatry. Worship is willful. This is one of the characteristics of worship. One cannot worship by “accident”. I also trust God that, if someone is misdirected, He is able to correct them. I am not concerned about focus on Mary because Mary always points to Christ. Anyone who comes to her will end up coming to Christ.

So where does the RC based their practice on canonization in scripture where only people who the RC believes led a holy life while on earth  and when prayed too perform a require number of miraculous interventions are canonized or considered as saints? According to St. Paul, all who have died in Christ are saints.

Yes, but the Church does not claim to know who has finished the race, and who has not. Only God knows those who are His. We know those about whom it has been revealed to us who are in heaven only.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Eco**

I’m sorry to hear about your health. May God grant you the graces needed to endure the suffering your undergoing at this time and may He unite it to the cross for the conversion of sinners.

I could address your questions but I feel a more important question is needed. I’m concerned to why you left the RC to begin with? The only reason that you would leave is because you don’t beleive in the Eucharist. Because if you did beleive in it there would be nothing that could ever seperate you from the precious Body and Blood.

This is were you need to reconcile first and foremost, the other things will follow…

Peace unto you***

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ECO, I add my personal prayers for your health. May our savior Jesus Christ heal you physically and provide you with the graces that he promises all his followers.

BM, There is nothing that could ever separate me from the precious Body and Blood of Our lord and savior but death!

I pray to the Blessed Mother Mary to be at me now and at the hour of my death, about 53 times a day or more!

God Bless you both **

 

[BMSODM]

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ECO, I add my personal prayers for your health. May our savior Jesus Christ heal you physically and provide you with the graces that he promises all his followers.

BM, There is nothing that could ever separate me from the precious Body and Blood of Our lord and savior but death!

I pray to the Blessed Mother Mary to be at me now and at the hour of my death, about 53 times a day or more!

God Bless you both **

AMEN!!

My Choice of prayer usually consist of the Rosary and Divine Chaplet. I feel these are the two most powerful and complete prayers offered to God’s children.

Two sides to the same coin, the coin of Mercy (the very heart of God)…

Blessings***

 

[Ecoclimber]

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ECO, I add my personal prayers for your health. May our savior Jesus Christ heal you physically and provide you with the graces that he promises all his followers.

BM, There is nothing that could ever separate me from the precious Body and Blood of Our lord and savior but death!

I pray to the Blessed Mother Mary to be at me now and at the hour of my death, about 53 times a day or more!

God Bless you both **

Thanks everyone for your prayers and responses, they are greatly appreciated.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

AMEN!!

My Choice of prayer usually consist of the Rosary and Divine Chaplet. I feel these are the two most powerful and complete prayers offered to God’s children.

Two sides to the same coin, the coin of Mercy (the very heart of God)…

Blessings***

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I pray the rosary at least one time a day,then several decades as possiblt, The divine mercy Chaplet at 3PM!**

 

[BMSODM]

**
I pray the rosary at least one time a day,then several decades as possiblt, The divine mercy Chaplet at 3PM!**

Blessings***

Have you been to the Divine Mercy Chapel in Edan Hill, Mass.
It is absolutely beautiful. The Diary of Sister Faustina is also an awesome book to read.

I would also recommend getting up at 3:00AM and praying the chaplet as well. Even if you do it from time to time. Its a counter to the attacks on souls by satan. As you know everything God does satan counters with something of his own. Like Santa, the Bunny, Halloween, ect… The hour of Power 3:00PM, is countered by satan at 3:00AM. Every soldier is needed during this Holy War.

Peace unto you***

 

[twb1621]

Blessings***

Have you been to the Divine Mercy Chapel in Edan Hill, Mass.
It is absolutely beautiful. The Diary of Sister Faustina is also an awesome book to read.

I would also recommend getting up at 3:00AM and praying the chaplet as well. Even if you do it from time to time. Its a counter to the attacks on souls by satan. As you know everything God does satan counters with something of his own. Like Santa, the Bunny, Halloween, ect… The hour of Power 3:00PM, is countered by satan at 3:00AM. Every soldier is needed during this Holy War.

Peace unto you***

If you don’t mind my asking, where did you get the information on the prayer of 3:00 am?

 

[pathfinder7]

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We want to save their souls from damination, we offer to instruct, guide and correct their twisted logic and distorted views and beliefs. If that isn’t friendly that the saints in heaven mustn’t hear our many prayers offered for their conversion.

I rather think that they are the unfriendly ones.

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you are right… I had forgotten about that kind of thing. Maybe i have forgotten so easily because i wanted so badly to forget. I mean, i get tired of having conversatoins where the other person always thinks i am trying to shove some horrible thing down their throats… so i have not been dealing directly with others lately. I send anonymous letters & info in the mail to avoid having to deal with a PERSON. But then… that gets kind of “lonely” after awhile and you start wanting feedback… Seems you just can’t win for losing…

Anyway… many Catholics i know ARE friendly. But then there are those who are not… and they tend to attract my attention more.

Well, i have to go… Have a good evening… God bless…

 

[BMSODM]

you are right… I had forgotten about that kind of thing. Maybe i have forgotten so easily because i wanted so badly to forget. I mean, i get tired of having conversatoins where the other person always thinks i am trying to shove some horrible thing down their throats… so i have not been dealing directly with others lately. I send anonymous letters & info in the mail to avoid having to deal with a PERSON. But then… that gets kind of “lonely” after awhile and you start wanting feedback… Seems you just can’t win for losing…

Anyway… many Catholics i know ARE friendly. But then there are those who are not… and they tend to attract my attention more.

Well, i have to go… Have a good evening… God bless…

**Mt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
**

Blessings***

 

[BMSODM]

If you don’t mind my asking, where did you get the information on the prayer of 3:00 am?

Grace unto you***

No I don’t mind at all. I first started finding out about the 3:00AM hour by reading the lives of the Saints. I found most of the Power Saints were at there heaviest battle’s with satan during the early hours of the morning. The worst attacks were between three and four o’clock AM. I also found the more I prayed with these Saints the more the Holy Ghost would wake me up about 2:50 AM every morning. At first I would just try to go back to sleep but after a while I would start praying. Im pretty positive it was in Brother Joseph Andre’s Bio. I can’t remember were I read half of the stuff I know. I read over 100 different Saints lives.

I must warn you though, its not a time for the weak to engage satan at this hour. He will attack you without a doubt. Pray for protection, expecially to Saint Michael and pray the chaplet for the souls that satan is decieving at that hour and if you really want to make satan mad follow it up with a Rosery. Intercede for them at that hour and you will see for yourself…

Blessings***

 

[twb1621]

Grace unto you***

No I don’t mind at all. I first started finding out about the 3:00AM hour by reading the lives of the Saints. I found most of the Power Saints were at there heaviest battle’s with satan during the early hours of the morning. The worst attacks were between three and four o’clock AM. I also found the more I prayed with these Saints the more the Holy Ghost would wake me up about 2:50 AM every morning. At first I would just try to go back to sleep but after a while I would start praying. Im pretty positive it was in Brother Joseph Andre’s Bio. I can’t remember were I read half of the stuff I know. I read over 100 different Saints lives.

I must warn you though, its not a time for the weak to engage satan at this hour. He will attack you without a doubt. Pray for protection, expecially to Saint Michael and pray the chaplet for the souls that satan is decieving at that hour and if you really want to make satan mad follow it up with a Rosery. Intercede for them at that hour and you will see for yourself…

Blessings***

your devotion is admirable and I will absolutely look into this. Thank you and May the Holy Spirit give you the strength to carry on in the good fight.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Blessings***

Have you been to the Divine Mercy Chapel in Edan Hill, Mass.
It is absolutely beautiful. The Diary of Sister Faustina is also an awesome book to read.

I would also recommend getting up at 3:00AM and praying the chaplet as well. Even if you do it from time to time. Its a counter to the attacks on souls by satan. As you know everything God does satan counters with something of his own. Like Santa, the Bunny, Halloween, ect… The hour of Power 3:00PM, is countered by satan at 3:00AM. Every soldier is needed during this Holy War.

Peace unto you***

**I don’t go to bed until 230AM or 3AM, up at 730AM or 8AM. I pray at 8PM CST for “world peace” and the protection of the US from attacks. This movement is spreading all over the US.

As you said about Satan countering things God does, you neglectedto mention the worse thing he did: The Protestant Reformation which has corrupted and undermined the real church that Jesus established, with a cancerous growth which has 33,000 denominations and 1,375 different doctirines and dogmas. It has to be Satan driven because the “only thing” They ALL agree on is that the Catholic Church is wrong!

Who else but Satan wants to force souls into Hell? Not Jesus, He still has the door to church open it has been for 2,000 years! He is the Head, the RCC is the body! **

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Do you have to be Catholic before a Saint will converse with you or appear to you?

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Do you have to be Catholic before a Saint will converse with you or appear to you?

**I would think that being a Christian "might"help! But there has actually been many cases reported where even that wasn’t necessary. Many people believe you would have to be a “holy” person or some kind of nut to have saints conversing or appearing to you. I don’t think there are any other answers, except in the case where a “saint” (deceased person who died in faith) contacts a family member to say goodbye, express love, warn of danger, etc. These cases have also has been reported.

My Father and Mother are both deceased. I “pray” to them. I express my needs and ask them to intercede for me. It is a nice feeling to talk to them again. Dad dead 30 years, Mom 10 years. I also pray for their souls! They are closer to God than I am spiritually and know my heart and needs. I also pray the rosary daily to my spiritual Mother.

I hope that helps!**

 

[twb1621]

Do you have to be Catholic before a Saint will converse with you or appear to you?

In addition to what realcatholic mentioned, there have been children and adults both regardless of faith who have been blessed with contact from the Holy including the Blessed Virgin. Some of these people new nothing about her until these things have occurred. If you recall, Even Saul was confronted with Jesus After the assumption before he believed and became Paul.

 

[oscbsap]

I am a Protestant but I’ve recently become interested in the Catholic faith. One of my concerns with Catholicism, though, is saints. I’ve sort of been taught that Cathlics worship saints, especially through prayer. I’ve talked to some of my Catholic friends about it and they say it isn’t worship, and that what they’re doing is intercessory prayer. what exactly is that? also, is there biblical proof that we should pray to saints?
I want to get a Catholic point of view on this, I don’t want to base all my opinions just on what Protestants say, because I know there is some bias there.

Dear Elizabeth: Praise be Jesus that you are open to ideas.
Your question is " is there biblical proof that we should pray to saints?"
First I assume you believe in Jesus as Son of God.
2nd, there are several instances in the Gospel that Jesus listened to intercessory act from people surrounding him. I can recall some of these: 1) the wedding at Cana. Jesus performed his 1st miracle even it was “Not His time yet.” Because of her LOve for His mom, Mary, water was turned into wind. 2) Recall Lazarus brought back to life? It was through her LOve for another Mary, Marta and Lazarus himself, who were Jesus’ childhood friends that infused Jesus make this miracle.

There are several more, the two Gospel situations are examples that God Himself listens to the PRAYER of FRIENDS = the Saints.

Oscar

 

[oscbsap]

Dear Elizabeth: Praise be Jesus that you are open to ideas.
Your question is " is there biblical proof that we should pray to saints?"
First I assume you believe in Jesus as Son of God.
2nd, there are several instances in the Gospel that Jesus listened to intercessory act from people surrounding him. I can recall some of these: 1) the wedding at Cana. Jesus performed his 1st miracle even it was “Not His time yet.” Because of her LOve for His mom, Mary, water was turned into wind. 2) Recall Lazarus brought back to life? It was through her LOve for another Mary, Marta and Lazarus himself, who were Jesus’ childhood friends that infused Jesus make this miracle.

There are several more, the two Gospel situations are examples that God Himself listens to the PRAYER of FRIENDS = the Saints.

oscbsap

 

[BMSODM]

**I don’t go to bed until 230AM or 3AM, up at 730AM or 8AM. I pray at 8PM CST for “world peace” and the protection of the US from attacks. This movement is spreading all over the US.

As you said about Satan countering things God does, you neglectedto mention the worse thing he did: The Protestant Reformation which has corrupted and undermined the real church that Jesus established, with a cancerous growth which has 33,000 denominations and 1,375 different doctirines and dogmas. It has to be Satan driven because the “only thing” They ALL agree on is that the Catholic Church is wrong!

Who else but Satan wants to force souls into Hell? Not Jesus, He still has the door to church open it has been for 2,000 years! He is the Head, the RCC is the body! **

Blessings***

While I agree satan was the author of the reform, I would also say because God’s Word will never return void, that God has taken what satan has done and made it into a positive. I beleive the reform was intended by satan to cut the vine from its source but because of God’s grace instead of cutting the vine it has pruned it and has resulted it into forming branches off the vine.

We can’t deny the good some of the denominations are doing for the kingdom. We can’t deny the souls that are coming to the Lord in some of these denominations. These are fruits and a bad tree can’t bear good fruit.

The ironic part is that the Catholic church is all about unity and even its attackers are unifed in there judgements against Her. Isn’t that funny how even through its attack’s it still can unify people? God is so awesome!!!

Do one to others as you would want done to you. If you dont want them to attack you don’t attack them…

Peace unto You***