Proof for praying to saints

[BMSODM]

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I pray especially againt the salvation of a Killer named George Tiller, He stated he personally preformed 60 thousand abortions. This animal even baptizes the babies before throwing their bodys into medical waste bags. dr-tiller.com** I petition God daily for His swift and just judgement on this son of Satan. He is a creation of God’s. He is not a son of God and deserves no mercy unless he repents. I pray that he doesn’t repent and spends eternity in the fire of hell in payment for the 60 thousand murders!
God Bless

Shame on you…

So in english your saying God please condemn George to eternal hell before he can repent. I would rather see him be put into the eternal fire then see him kill another baby. Even though these children will be with you for all eternity in your glory but because they didnt get a chance to live on earth I think George should burn forever. I dont think it would be just for him to be given more time to come to the Truth and serve you. So be quick and damn him God before he can repent…

Maybe a better prayer would be, Father my heart is breaking with each breath. I cant bear to see the innocent children being murdered by George and others like him anymore. I desire your just hand to stop this shedding of innocent blood with every once of my soul. I dont always understand your ways and I fall short in discerning your will at times. But even though I dont understand why these things happen I trust in you and your Divine Will. I know there is nothing your mercy cannot cover and even though my fleshly human side wants to see this man burn in hell for what he has done to your children, I will pray in Spirit and ask that through your mercy you will grant him eyes to see and ears to hear your true teachings and all these deaths of these children would not be for not. I pray through your divine mercy He would come to repentence and be a lamp shining bright for all the world to see your truth. As you did with Paul and so many others convert the wicked into the righteous and truelly bring Glory to your heavenly Name. I pray this with all the angels and saints and with our most heavenly Mother in one accord and we bring this through the Body and Blood and Soul and Divinity of your Most Beloved Son Our Lord Jesus Christ, AMEN!!!

Just my opinion…If I am to love thy neighbor as myself, and I am glad that God gave me time to repent, why shouldnt I pray that he is given every chance to repent? Now because God is all knowing and if God knows he wont ever repent then I would hope and pray God would remove Him from this life, unless it is for the greater good of the Kingdom which is beyond my understandings.

Our minds could never comprend Gods mind or His ways. If its happening Then God is allowing it to happen for a reason…

 

[bookgirl32]

Let’s suppose someone died to protect an unborn child. Would that make them a saint? Or, do you have to perform miracles from beyond the grave to be a saint. (No sarcasm meant)

I guess it would make them a martyr? There are saints that we don’t know are saints, but yes, there are usually miracles that have to be involved for the Church to declare them a saint.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I understand your anger, I feel it too! That’s how I feel, but I know that God still loves him, and wouldn’t want us to be praying against anyone’s salvation. So I try to go against what I feel in this particular situation. Just think, if he did repent, and did receive salvation, how many more babies wouldn’t be killed b/c he wasn’t doing it!

Here’s an account about killer tiller:

“From May to November 1988, I worked for an abortionist. He specializes in third trimester killings. I witnessed evidence of the brutal, cold blooded murder of over 600 viable, healthy babies at seven, eight and nine months gestation. A very, very few of these babies, less than 2%, were handicapped…I thought I was pro-choice and I was glad to be working in an abortion clinic. I thought I was helping provide a noble service to women in crisis…I was instructed to falsify the age of the babies in medical records. I was required to lie to the mothers over the phone, as they scheduled their appointments, and to tell them that they were not ‘too far along’ Then I had to note, in the records that Dr. Tiller’s needle had successfully pierced the walls of the baby’s heart, injecting the poison what brought death…one day, Dr. Tiller came up the stairs from the basement, where the mothers were in labor. He was carrying a large cardboard box, and ducked into the employees only area of the office so that he wouldn’t have to walk through the waiting room. He passed behind my desk as I sat working on the computer, and he turned the corner to go around a short hall. He called out for me to come and help him. the box was so big and heavy in his arms that he couldn’t get the key into the lock. So I unlocked the door for him, and , pushing the door open, I saw very clearly the gleaming metal of the crematorium- a full sized crematorium, just like the one’s used in funeral homes. I went back to my computer. I could hear Dr. Tiller firing up the gas oven. A few minutes later I could smell burning human flesh. Mine was the agony of a participant, however reluctant, in the act of prenatal infanticide.”
–Luhra Tivis on her experience in the abortion business Quoted in Celebrate Life Sept/Oct 1994 “Where is the Real Violence?”

“Cursed be the man who accepts a bribe to shed innocent blood.” Deu. 27:25

 

[bookgirl32]

Here’s an account about killer tiller:

“From May to November 1988, I worked for an abortionist. He specializes in third trimester killings. I witnessed evidence of the brutal, cold blooded murder of over 600 viable, healthy babies at seven, eight and nine months gestation. A very, very few of these babies, less than 2%, were handicapped…I thought I was pro-choice and I was glad to be working in an abortion clinic. I thought I was helping provide a noble service to women in crisis…I was instructed to falsify the age of the babies in medical records. I was required to lie to the mothers over the phone, as they scheduled their appointments, and to tell them that they were not ‘too far along’ Then I had to note, in the records that Dr. Tiller’s needle had successfully pierced the walls of the baby’s heart, injecting the poison what brought death…one day, Dr. Tiller came up the stairs from the basement, where the mothers were in labor. He was carrying a large cardboard box, and ducked into the employees only area of the office so that he wouldn’t have to walk through the waiting room. He passed behind my desk as I sat working on the computer, and he turned the corner to go around a short hall. He called out for me to come and help him. the box was so big and heavy in his arms that he couldn’t get the key into the lock. So I unlocked the door for him, and , pushing the door open, I saw very clearly the gleaming metal of the crematorium- a full sized crematorium, just like the one’s used in funeral homes. I went back to my computer. I could hear Dr. Tiller firing up the gas oven. A few minutes later I could smell burning human flesh. Mine was the agony of a participant, however reluctant, in the act of prenatal infanticide.”
–Luhra Tivis on her experience in the abortion business Quoted in Celebrate Life Sept/Oct 1994 “Where is the Real Violence?”

“Cursed be the man who accepts a bribe to shed innocent blood.” Deu. 27:25

And I’m supposed to do what with this info? It’s awful, completely wrong, etc. Not questioning that.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Shame on you…

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Hi BM,

Thank you! **

So in english your saying God please condemn George to eternal hell before he can repent…
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No ! in English I am saying: "God, My Father in Heaven provide Justice for the 40 Million babies murdered by us in the United States since 1973. Forgive us for allowing this sin against human live to exist even one more day. Forgive the parents that allowed their baby to die. May they repent and receive your forgiveness. Do not punish our country but provide the means to end abortion. Protect the unborn children and bring swift judgement on the souls of the sons and daugthers of Satan that perform 4,000 abortions daily. May they burn in Hell for eternity. I ask these things in Jesus’ name. Amen **

**I do not pray for any abortionist because it is not required of me that I do so! I rather pray for Justice!

"If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. When there is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. 1 John 5:16**

Just my opinion…If I am to love thy neighbor as myself, and I am glad that God gave me time to repent, why shouldnt I pray that he is given every chance to repent?

**BM, IMO George Tiller isn’t your neighbor. He isn’t even a human being! He is a son of Satan.You aren’t required to pray for him, but you can because it doesn’t say that you can’t pray for him. I rather pray for Justice. it is a matter of honestly and love on my part. I don’t say “Shame on you” for praying for him. But I do think your prayers would be better used for our country and the parents of the murdered children.

“Cursed be the man who accepts a bribe to shed innocent blood.” Deu. 27:25

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Now because God is all knowing and if God knows he wont ever repent then I would hope and pray God would remove Him from this life, unless it is for the greater good of the Kingdom which is beyond my understandings.

Our minds could never comprend Gods mind or His ways. If its happening Then God is allowing it to happen for a reason…

**It is called Free Will. Our country is condemning itself to God’s rightist wrath by allowing evil to be the law of the land! I pray to my vengeful and just God that He will make the Evil One and His children pay for their sins like He promised. I ask him to remember that there are righist people who acknowledge the sins of our country and beg His forgiveness.

God is Love, but God is also Justice! That is real LOVE!

HAPPY NEW YEAR

God Bless**

 

[guanophore]

I wouldn’t feel any more comfortable sitting next to a racist, anti-semite, or anti-ctholic bigot either.

This is an opportunity for you to experience God’s healing. If he can sit next to them, and He tells us to love others, as He has loved us, then He is able, if we are willing to make this same kind of love shed abroad in our hearts throught the HS. Let us not miss the opportunity!

 

[Chris_LaRock]

This is an opportunity for you to experience God’s healing. If he can sit next to them, and He tells us to love others, as He has loved us, then He is able, if we are willing to make this same kind of love shed abroad in our hearts throught the HS. Let us not miss the opportunity!

I feel provoked when I’m in the presence of evil. I get angry and disgusted by anti-semitism. I can’t even stand to look at a planned parenthood clinic. It sickens me when Jehovah’s witnesses and Mormons say Jesus isn’t God.

Like when St. Paul traveled to Greece and was provoked by the sight of the idols, I hate evil. I recently broke a dvd of ‘a time to kill’ when donald sutherland’s character said he supports abortion.

But that’s just me.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Realcatholicgk:
I pray for justice for these children every day. And if you think WE are mad and angry over these barbaric killings, just imagine how God feels. I mean, He created those children, loves them more than we ever could, and has watched every abortion that has ever taken place first hand.

Like Fr. Corapi, I see that people have put the economy before children’s lives - and I think God will destroy the economy in His judgment.

 

[kimmielittle]

I just can’t in good conscience join a church that lets pro-abort politicians defile the body and blood of Jesus Christ by allowing them to remain in the church and take communion. Unrepentant killers who take pride in their killing don’t belong in the church.

Hiyas Chris,

Hmmmm…how do you know they are "Unrepentant’? I always thought that was Jesus’ place. I mean to judge.

It would be a hard job for, say me, to judge the degree of repentance one has in their spiritual walk with Jesus.

I know of a man who never was baptized, never confessed his sins, never asked for forgiveness, yet was given a place of honor in heaven. I know, that I would be honored to have Communion with him.

‘Just goes to shows ya…there’s no accounting for some folks tastes’ huh?

The only person I worry about being righteous in Church, is me! I find it more than enough to worry about. I really don’t worry about the Mr. Better ThanU’s or the Mr. UnderMe’s.

It took The “whole” Church to raise me, so I could see, my spiritual walk with Jesus will end up a private one between Jesus and me.

BTW: that man that I made reference to died on the cross… next to Jesus.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Hiyas Chris,

Hmmmm…how do you know they are "Unrepentant’? I always thought that was Jesus’ place. I mean to judge.

It would be a hard job for, say me, to judge the degree of repentance one has in their spiritual walk with Jesus.

The fact that they still support evil acts is a clue of being unrepentant.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Hiyas Chris,

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Hi Kimmie,

Happy New Year!**

Hmmmm…how do you know they are "Unrepentant’? I always thought that was Jesus’ place. I mean to judge.

**You thought wrong. Want scriptural proof?

JOHN 7:14: “Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”

LUKE 12:57: “Yea, and why not even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?”

ISAIAH 58:1: “Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.”

PSALM 37:30: “The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.”

PROVERBS 31:9: “Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.”

LUKE 17:3: “Take heed… If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.”

LEVITICUS 19:15-17: “Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor: I am the Lord. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him.”

EZEKIEL 22:2 & 23:36: “Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? Yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations… The Lord said moreover unto me, Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? Yea, declare unto them their abominations.”

MATTHEW 3:2,7: John the Baptist preaching, “Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?”

MATTHEW 23: Jesus publicly rebuked the hypocrites, “Woe unto you… hypocrites!..ye blind guides…fools…full of extortion and excess…whited sepulchres…full of hypocrisy and iniquity…Woe unto you…Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”

ACTS 7:51: Deacon Stephen said to the mob that ended up stoning him, “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in hearts and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.” (Read the whole chapter - No fear-of-man patty cake here!)
ACTS 13:10: The Apostle Paul says to a man who hindered the Gospel, “O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?”

ACTS 8:20-23: Here the Apostle Peter severely rebukes a baby Christian who commits one sin: “Thy money perish with thee… Thy heart is not right in the sight of God.Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitter-ness, and in the bond of iniquity.”

It is God that sets the standard and passes the judgment kimmie. We simply pass on the information.

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It would be a hard job for, say me, to judge the degree of repentance one has in their spiritual walk with Jesus.

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Well if they are killing babies every day for money, kimmie, you can bet they aren’t repenting . Or maybe I am just too critical? **

I know of a man who never was baptized, never confessed his sins, never asked for forgiveness, yet was given a place of honor in heaven. I know, that I would be honored to have Communion with him.

‘Just goes to shows ya…there’s no accounting for some folks tastes’ huh?

The only person I worry about being righteous in Church, is me! I find it more than enough to worry about. I really don’t worry about the Mr. Better Than U’s or the Mr. Under Me’s.

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I know that feeling. I am a work in progress, I can’t wait to see what God finally makes out of me! I know it will be a miracle! **

It took The “whole” Church to raise me, so I could see, my spiritual walk with Jesus will end up a private one between Jesus and me.

BTW: that man that I made reference to died on the cross… next to Jesus.

**Yea, he was a good thief, not a evil murder!

“You know well enough that our Lord does not look so much at the greatness of our actions, nor even at their difficulty, but at the love with which we do them.”-- St. Therese of Lisieux

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[kimmielittle]

Hiyas Realcatholicgk ,

Happy New Years and thank you

I beg patience, for I am youth. In age, my walk with my Lord, my Church, my fellow sinners.

There is no doubt, in my heart, mind, soul, that abortion is a grievous abomination, unto God, ALL of humankind, Church and Country. That there can be no excuse of committing this act or participation.

I confess by my word, mouth, heart, very soul, that I have sinned against my God - even unto all of humankind, in my comings and goings. In my doing and not doing. I seek forgiveness, by His stripes, His promise.

I am a participant into this abomination by my taxes and my country’s laws. Unwilling, but still a participant.

My heartfelt concern toward Chris’ statement
“I just can’t in good conscience join a church that lets pro-abort politicians defile the body and blood of Jesus Christ by allowing them to remain in the church and take communion. Unrepentant killers who take pride in their killing don’t belong in the church.”] was for Chris. Albeit; poorly versed.

Where better to bring about change, both to the Church and us sinners, than from within? Where better to change the letter of the laws of my country, than my vote and political activism? If not from within, my voice blows with the wind. It doesn’t penetrate to the core. Once I am made aware of my sin, am I not supposed to teach others of it’s traps?

The un-repetitive soul, who receives Him, carries a grievous burden. That burden he passes on to ALL who ignorantly or nonchalantly let it slide, yes. I we ] can only have faith that the Holy Spirit move through Mother Church to bring about the changes to protect the innocent and convert us. Without our voice and acts, we sin again.

Are they un-repetitive, ignorant or nonchalant about these matters?

How many of us stupidly think, “If it’s a letter law, it must be right and transcends into Mother Church”?

Hate the sins, love us sinners.-saint kimmie

In Christ, Jesus

 

[Peter_J]

I pray especially againt the salvation of a Killer named George Tiller, He stated he personally preformed 60 thousand abortions. This animal even baptizes the babies before throwing their bodys into medical waste bags. dr-tiller.com

BMSODM,

If I may “plug” a thread that I started …

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=295464

 

[Peter_J]

Or lets say someone you love confesses that at one time she had a abortion, don’t get me wrong I am against them but I am also against not being forgiven for making a horrible mistake. But lets say they tell you they did and can’t forgive themselves either, so they go to Church, confess, and ask God for forgiveness. What do you think father should do?

I guess that’s natural, in a way. But it’s still something you should work on – unless of course you’ve decided that you no longer want to be a Christian.

 

[kimmielittle]

Please excuse my spelling [un-repetitive] should be un-repentant. English is my second language. By the time I found it, I had exceeded the edit time limit.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I guess that’s natural, in a way. But it’s still something you should work on – unless of course you’ve decided that you no longer want to be a Christian.

It’s complicated. When it comes to this issue, all I can think about is the child that was killed for someone else’s selfishness.

 

[Peter_J]

It’s complicated. When it comes to this issue, all I can think about is the child that was killed for someone else’s selfishness.

Perhaps the real issue is whether or not you want to change?

 

[BMSODM]

BMSODM,

If I may “plug” a thread that I started …

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=295464

Hello Peter, may this year of 2009 be a Blessed and most Holy year in your walk

I guess I’m a Christian who prefers to live in the Passion of Christ.
My whole life is dedicated to the conversion of sinners (all sinners)

When I look at people I see the souls and even if those souls are the most defiled and disobedient souls known to man I cant help but pray for them. As the thief was able to gain axcess in his last hour I beleive all can have that grace. I beleive Jesus desires all souls to be brought back to the Father and the greater the sinner the greater the right he has to Jesus Mercy.

I take no credit for what I feel as a work on my behalf. I give all the credit to the Passion of Christ. In our Lords Passion the well was opened to ALL Mankind. And I beleive its our job to intercede for the ones who have not yet seen. I will continue to always live a life of intercession and Mercy until my last breath and if God is willing I will continue as a Saint in heaven with this ministry.

So even though I understand Real Catholics opinion and I do beleive His heart means well I cant help but scream from the roof tops what Jesus has shown me. But I do understand that we all have different jobs and maybe God is growing him for a different ministry in this earth and for the world to come. I just think that its important to never forget were we came from and “There go I be it not for the Grace of God” is the way we should look at everyone…Because everyone is your neighbor in my eyes and everyone is my Brothers and Sister in my eyes. Until the day of judgement I will always look at everyone in this way. Thats the only way I can guarantee that I gave my Lord drink when He thirst and I gave Him clothes when He was naked and I gave Him food when He was hungry. But most of all I gave Him my prayers when He needed them most…

Peace unto you***

 

[rinnie]

Let’s suppose someone died to protect an unborn child. Would that make them a saint? Or, do you have to perform miracles from beyond the grave to be a saint. (No sarcasm meant)

Well I would think how they became a Saint was their life in this world. Like maybe Mother Teresa. You know how she gave up her life for God and was a wonderful example of that faith.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Well I would think how they became a Saint was their life in this world. Like maybe Mother Teresa. You know how she gave up her life for God and was a wonderful example of that faith.

Let’s suppose enough people offered up their own blood to God to end abortion on earth, and directed the prayer through a saint, do you think God would accept the offer?