Proof for praying to saints

[rinnie]

I feel provoked when I’m in the presence of evil. I get angry and disgusted by anti-semitism. I can’t even stand to look at a planned parenthood clinic. It sickens me when Jehovah’s witnesses and Mormons say Jesus isn’t God.

Like when St. Paul traveled to Greece and was provoked by the sight of the idols, I hate evil. I recently broke a dvd of ‘a time to kill’ when donald sutherland’s character said he supports abortion.

But that’s just me.

It sound’s like you have alot of hate and anger built up in you. I don’t think any of us like to hear people disagree with our beliefs. But in all do respect what do you acomplish by getting angry and disgusted by these people. Do you think thats the way of trying to bring them back to God?

 

[rinnie]

Let’s suppose enough people offered up their own blood to God to end abortion on earth, and directed the prayer through a saint, do you think God would accept the offer?

No. God is never about violence, Is that what you mean by offering up their own blood?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

No. God is never about violence, Is that what you mean by offering up their own blood?

Let’s suppose enough saints on earth offered to die to end abortion, and directed those petitions to God through a sain in heaven - do you think He would accept this self-sacrifice and end abortion on earth?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

It sound’s like you have alot of hate and anger built up in you. I don’t think any of us like to hear people disagree with our beliefs. But in all do respect what do you acomplish by getting angry and disgusted by these people. Do you think thats the way of trying to bring them back to God?

It’s our hate for sin that comells us to convert people away from it, right? You can’t be neutral on sin and say you want to fight against it.

 

[rinnie]

Let’s suppose enough saints on earth offered to die to end abortion, and directed those petitions to God through a sain in heaven - do you think He would accept this self-sacrifice and end abortion on earth?

Chris, God it is not up to God to choose for us. God gave us free will Chris. If offering my life would save the world I would do it in a moment. But that has already been done Chris by one much greater then you and I. Jesus did that. But Jesus did allow sin, he gave us all free will. If you are asking if the prayers of the Saints can work. Yes Chris can and will. If someone is going to get an abortion and believes in the Saints and goes to them for guidence and hope they will get it. And more than likely will have a window open to them through the power of those prayers of the saints to have that baby. And will not get that abortion. But there are people out there Chris that will get it anyway, some are evil. some are scared. some feel helpless, they are not all evil devils Chris.

They are Gods people too. we all sin, in different ways. Tell me chris. Lets say you die, and the neighbor of yours dies and you both go to meet God. The neighbor had an abortion and says forgive me Father I have sinned badly. I was in dispair, confused, scared and made a horrible mistake. I plead for your mercy.

Then comes you Chris, I never had an abortion God, But I sure hated and condemmed my neighbor for hers. I would not even sit by her in Church. She is evil. Don’t accept her Lord she is of the devil she is evil I tell you.

Who do you thinks getting in Chris?

 

[rinnie]

It’s our hate for sin that comells us to convert people away from it, right? You can’t be neutral on sin and say you want to fight against it.

But you don’t hate the sin Chris, you hate the person, You won’t even sit beside them in Church.

 

[guanophore]

Let’s suppose enough people offered up their own blood to God to end abortion on earth, and directed the prayer through a saint, do you think God would accept the offer?

There is no better blood that can be offered than the blood of Christ. If the killers will not be washed in His blood, then there will be no cleansing for them. all that GK has wished for them will surely come to pass.

God has allowed evil to co-exist with His good. No amount of our blood will change that. When the end of the age has come, we will all be judged according to our deeds.

 

[rinnie]

Tell me Chris what does Matthew 6:14-16 mean to you?:yup:

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Let’s suppose enough people offered up their own blood to God to end abortion on earth, and directed the prayer through a saint, do you think God would accept the offer?

**Hi Chris,

People don’t have to offer up their blood. Jesus did that. All people have to do is offer up their prayers and say NO MORE ABORTIONS! They would stop today! But people don’t care they rather give lip service to God and let the babies die!

May God have mercy on all our souls!

God Bless**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

There is no better blood that can be offered than the blood of Christ. If the killers will not be washed in His blood, then there will be no cleansing for them. all that GK has wished for them will surely come to pass.

God has allowed evil to co-exist with His good. No amount of our blood will change that. When the end of the age has come, we will all be judged according to our deeds.

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Hi Guan,

Happy new Year.

Very well said! I would add:****“When the end of the age has come, we will all be judged according to our deeds”…****Or lack of them!

God Bless**

 

[BMSODM]

Tell me Chris what does Matthew 6:14-16 mean to you?:yup:

I would like to hear your reply also Chris. I would like to also hear a reply from RealCatholic as well…

*14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.*

Good post Rinnie…

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Tell me Chris what does Matthew 6:14-16 mean to you?:yup:

**Hi rinnie,

I can’t speak for Chris, however, Abortionist do not tresspass against me, they tresspass against God almighty Himself. I do not attempt to forgive someone else for sinning against another person. It isn’t my right to do such! God must forgive them…
Because the Kill babies, I pray that they obtain the justice required for murding so many babies.

Matthew 6: 14-15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

“A man burdened with bloodshed will flee into a pit; let no one help him.” (Proverbs 28:17)

“Keep yourself far from a false matter; do not kill the innocent and righteous. For I will not justify the wicked.” (Exodus 23:7)

“Cursed is the one who takes a bribe to slay an innocent person.” (Deuteronomy 27:25)

“These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren.” (Proverbs 6:16)

“If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no lasting harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any lasting harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” (Exodus 21:22)

Thus says the Lord: “For three transgressions of the people of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away its punishment, because they ripped open the women with child in Gilead, that they might enlarge their territory.” (Amos 1:13)

“Moreover you took your sons and your daughters, whom you bore to Me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your acts of harlotry a small matter, that you have slain My children and offered them up to them by causing them to pass through the fire?” (Ezekiel 16:20)

“You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way: for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their God; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.” (Deuteronomy 12:31)

The most drastic steps anyone can take against an unrepentant person is withholding brotherly fellowship from him until he repents (1 Corinthians 5:9-13; 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15); and delivering or handing him over to Satan for spiritual correction (1 Corinthians 5:1-5; 1 Timothy 1:18-20).

I pray for justice for the 40 Million babies murdered in the USA and beg God for him to forgive our nation for allowing it. And to forgive people who call themselves Christians for not doing something to save all these babies from death!

God Bless**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

I would like to hear your reply also Chris. I would like to also hear a reply from RealCatholic as well…

*14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.*

Good post Rinnie…

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Hi BM,

Happy New Year, my friend

Rinnie, is good people.

I had answered this previousely and Guan and you both disagreeded with me. I am firm in my beliefs and you probable will still disagree with me. That is OK, we both have good things to say. We have to follow our conscience. You are smarter than I am, but forgive me for saying this, and I mean no unkindness, I believe I have more common sense.

Can you imagine standing in front of God and Him asking:

“When they were killing all the babies, what did you do to make them stop?”

I pray that you have a more postive answer besides “What am I, my brother’s keeper?”

I have a question to rinnie and you BM :

How do you justify praying against God’s will for children of Satan?

God Bless**

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Chris, God it is not up to God to choose for us. God gave us free will Chris. If offering my life would save the world I would do it in a moment. But that has already been done Chris by one much greater then you and I. Jesus did that. But Jesus did allow sin, he gave us all free will. If you are asking if the prayers of the Saints can work. Yes Chris can and will. If someone is going to get an abortion and believes in the Saints and goes to them for guidence and hope they will get it. And more than likely will have a window open to them through the power of those prayers of the saints to have that baby. And will not get that abortion. But there are people out there Chris that will get it anyway, some are evil. some are scared. some feel helpless, they are not all evil devils Chris.

They are Gods people too. we all sin, in different ways. Tell me chris. Lets say you die, and the neighbor of yours dies and you both go to meet God. The neighbor had an abortion and says forgive me Father I have sinned badly. I was in dispair, confused, scared and made a horrible mistake. I plead for your mercy.

Then comes you Chris, I never had an abortion God, But I sure hated and condemmed my neighbor for hers. I would not even sit by her in Church. She is evil. Don’t accept her Lord she is of the devil she is evil I tell you.

Who do you thinks getting in Chris?

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Hi rinnie, "wave:

Excellent post rinnie!

Answer: Only God knows! As it should be! We can’t guarantee anything but our judgement. We will have to explain both our actions and lack of action. Then God will judge us all!

I personally do not hate the “victims” of abortion, this includes the mothers and fathers. I pray for them daily.

I do accuse the Abortionists! They do this for profit! I pray to God for his just wrath against these people. I also beg him to forgive us for allowing it to continue to happen. They are not Children of God they are sons and daughters of Satan. he owns them I pray that God allows him to keep them!

What amazes me is the attitude of the general public. The majority of abortions are to poor and minority, Blacks being the largest minority population.They continue to complain about slavery 200 years ago yet do nothing to stop their “Future” from being murdered!

The most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that while 56 percent of all women who obtained legal abortions were white, the abortion rate (the number of abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44 per year) for black women was 2.9 times that of white women. For every thousand black women, 32 have abortions, as compared with 11 for every thousand white women.
Likewise with numbers of abortions per 1,000 births: The abortions/births ratio for white women was 184 abortions per 1,000 live births; for black women, it was 543 abortions per 1,000 births. This means that abortion ratios for black women were 2.8 times greater than those for white women.
Sadly, black women were also more likely to obtain riskier abortions late in their pregnancies, while white women were significantly more likely than black women to obtain abortions before 16 weeks.
While these data most likely reflect inequality in access to health care, data also indicate that the racial disparities in abortion rates have increased steadily since 1989. In some localities, including Mississippi, Louisiana, Maryland, and Georgia, more than half of all abortions are performed on black women. Black women in New York City and in the entire state of New Jersey receive more than 47 percent of all abortions performed there.

I see the devil’s hand at work blinding people to see the truth!

Do I have an answer! Yes, Prayer! Pray that abortions stops. Demand that abortion clinics close. Be an active member of the Culture of Life, and help eliminate this Culture of Death society, before God does!

God Bless**

 

[Peter_J]

So even though I understand Real Catholics opinion and I do beleive His heart means well

Personally, I don’t have any special insight into Realcatholicgk’s heart. I only know what he’s posted on CAF, for example when he said

He is a child of Satan’s I will pray for his eternal damnation

it doesn’t particularly make me want to have a conversation with him. But that’s just me, I’m certainly not going to try to tell you who you should be having conversations with.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Personally, I don’t have any special insight into Realcatholicgk’s heart. I only know what he’s posted on CAF, for example when he said

He is a child of Satan’s I will pray for his eternal damnation

it doesn’t particularly make me want to have a conversation with him. But that’s just me, I’m certainly not going to try to tell you who you should be having conversations with.

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Hi PeteJ,

You won’t have a conversation with someone who hates Satan and his children yet you will have conversations with people who Hate Catholics, who Hate Mary, who Hate the Pope **

I’m certainly not going to try to tell you who you should be having conversations withBut you make a site basically telling people that? Isn’t that “double speak”? What has made you devote your efforts to your dislike of my beliefs in God and His rightistness? Or should I be saying “who”? :coffeeread: **

Aren’t you too precious for words! :ehh: At least for ones that won’t violiate the TOS!

Where is that ignore button???

Bless you PeterJ, I still love you! :hug3:

Saying of the week: “I know that God loves everyone, but He probably prefers Fruits of the spirit over Religious nuts!”

God Bless

**

 

[rinnie]

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Hi BM,

Happy New Year, my friend

Rinnie, is good people.

I had answered this previousely and Guan and you both disagreeded with me. I am firm in my beliefs and you probable will still disagree with me. That is OK, we both have good things to say. We have to follow our conscience. You are smarter than I am, but forgive me for saying this, and I mean no unkindness, I believe I have more common sense.

Can you imagine standing in front of God and Him asking:

“When they were killing all the babies, what did you do to make them stop?”

I pray that you have a more postive answer besides “What am I, my brother’s keeper?”

I have a question to rinnie and you BM :

How do you justify praying against God’s will** for children of Satan?

Now buddy think what you are saying. I never said I agree with these people. And do I think what they are doing is evil? Yes I do. But I think if they are doing this and are aware of the grave danger they are putting their soul in they are indeed in Mortal sin. But do they really realize what they are doing. Are they doing it to hurt God, do they truely know what they do. IF the answer is yes dont worry God will make them answer for what they do. But what if they do not understand the Catholic Faith, what if God has not revealed to them what he taught us.

Should I hate them or should I ask God to help them see while they are living what they are doing? Do I ask God to have Mercy on them and help them to change this and stop this horrible thing while it still can be stopped.

Or do I not pray for God to open their eyes, Just hate them. Just ask God to have no mercy on them and dam them to hell. Do to them what they did to those babies.

Because you know what BUD, I love ya, but the CHurch says it easier to love a friend then a foe. If it were you doing this I would pray everyday and ask God to help me to open your eyes. Now if you quit and when you meet God are you going to pay for your past sins. Oh yes, Do not worry about that, but at least I could bring you away from the dark to the light. you got a chance now.

But if I don’t pray for you and you stay in the dark, I never tried. When God asked me did you try, How do I answer. No God I hated him, I never prayed for him. I never tried to show him.

Even If I fail I can say God I tried. I hated what he did, but I tried to show him the light. Your light, I failed but I tried. If I get to you and only save One baby it does not make up for the million that have been killed. But I did get to you. And I did save One. You getting my point there big fellow:wink:

God Bless

 

[Peter_J]

*14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.*

Good post Rinnie…

Right on, Rinnie and BMSODM. I thought of that passage when I was responding to Chris’s statement that he would “probably avoid” a woman who had an abortion and later repented.

 

[BMSODM]

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Hi BM,

Happy New Year, my friend

Rinnie, is good people.

You are smarter than I am, but forgive me for saying this, and I mean no unkindness, I believe I have more common sense.

While I am thankful for your kinda kind words. I dont know if Im smarter then you. I have a 9th grade education and I pretty much cheated to get to that point. I never read a book all the way through in school and I failed everything except art,(even gym)… I also found out there is nothing common about common sense.

It wasnt until Jesus called me and I finally listened to His voice that I read my first book, the Bible and then the river was opened wide and rushed into me like a waterfall. I have since read thousands of pages of holy books and writings. I have became a sponge that sits at the foot of the cross catching every drop of Blood and Grace that other souls dont want. I have prayed for over 6yrs almost everyday without ceasing that I would be like a dog at my Lords feet feeding of the rejected crumbs that would otherwise fall to the ground and be wasted and trampled on.

So everything I have and everything that I am is owed to God answering my prayer of being His little sponge, His little dirty rag, His dog at His feet. Its by Gods grace that I am what I am and I know what I know and I have seen what I have seen. Im the smallest of the small and that is were I want to be. **

Can you imagine standing in front of God and Him asking:

Standing!!! Who will be standing? Not I…

“When they were killing all the babies, what did you do to make them stop?”

I prayed for the conversion of sinners, I shined my lamp on the hill, I called mankind to repentence, I preached the Gospel…I also might have not been able to save every baby but I did save one last year. He turned one on Dec 13 His name is Cole

I pray that you have a more postive answer besides “What am I, my brother’s keeper?”

Was my answer more positive?

I have a question to rinnie and you BM :

How do you justify praying against God’s will for children of Satan?

I cant pray against Gods Will because I always pray for Gods Will to be Done, not my Will but His Will, no matter how I feel, just in the chance that Im wrong…

God Bless

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Now buddy think what you are saying. I never said I agree with these people.
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I would never imply that you did! **

And do I think what they are doing is evil? Yes I do. But I think if they are doing this and are aware of the grave danger they are putting their soul in they are indeed in Mortal sin. But do they really realize what they are doing.

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Rinnie, George Tiller “Baptizes” the murdered babies. He preformed 60 Thousand murders! Him** I identify as a son of Satan! The other Abortionists might not see the baby as they tear its arms and legs off, suck the brain out and dismandle it. Would you like to see?

Click on:100abortion pictures

Are they doing it to hurt God, do they truely know what they do.

They are doing it for Money!

IF the answer is yes dont worry God will make them answer for what they do.

That is my prayer!

But what if they do not understand the Catholic Faith, what if God has not revealed to them what he taught us.

**These animals are suppose to be human beings. Only Satan could make a trained “medical person” not see a human baby! Nothing to do with Catholic faith! **

Should I hate them or should I ask God to help them see while they are living what they are doing? Do I ask God to have Mercy on them and help them to change this and stop this horrible thing while it still can be stopped.

**I ask for mercy for the parents, they are children of God. I pray for justice for the babies against Satan’s Children. You of course, must follow your beliefs. I will have no problem explaining my actions to My God at my judgement. **

Or do I not pray for God to open their eyes, Just hate them. Just ask God to have no mercy on them and dam them to hell. Do to them what they did to those babies.

**That sounds like Justice to me! The time praying for them could be use to beg God’s forgiveness for our nation’s allowing this to continue for 35 years! **

Because you know what BUD, I love ya, but the Church says it easier to love a friend then a foe. If it were you doing this I would pray everyday and ask God to help me to open your eyes. Now if you quit and when you meet God are you going to pay for your past sins. Oh yes, Do not worry about that, but at least I could bring you away from the dark to the light. you got a chance now.

** What color is the sky in your world? I would love to come visit some day! In the real world not many abortionist has turned away from their sin. Three that I have heard of in 15 active years in pro-life activities! . How could they? The money, and admitting that they killed humans babies not justremoved a blood clot, or a piece of tissueClick on: Abortionists Speak**

But if I don’t pray for you and you stay in the dark, I never tried. When God asked me did you try, How do I answer. No God I hated him, I never prayed for him. I never tried to show him.

Even If I fail I can say God I tried. I hated what he did, but I tried to show him the light. Your light, I failed but I tried. If I get to you and only save One baby it does not make up for the million that have been killed. But I did get to you. And I did save One. You getting my point there big fellow

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rinnie, At least you didn’t say like one "catholic did: "Well we all want to get to heaven, The babies just got there quicker!’ That, in my opinion is the kind of person PeterJ should never have a conversation with!

You are good people, rinnie. may God keep you as nice as you appear.

I, on the other hand, have killed 54 people. I was shot, receiving 3 hits. One in the chest. I spent 14 months being repaired. I am disabled. For the past 42 years I have been offering my pain for the souls of the 54 soldiers I killed in battle. I say all that just to let you know that I think that I place “more” value on Human life than you do. Our God is a just God, He is Fair. He will judge our hearts, never betray yours. I will never betray mine! God will judge us, it is His decision. As for the Children of Satan, I will continue to pray that He allows them to enjoy Hell with their leader!

Pray for the parents and our country that God may forgive all of us for the sin of abortion!

God Bless **