Proof for praying to saints

[rinnie]

I understand what you are saying about the Donnell house real catholic but trust me I know what I am talking about on this one. Anyone that has cancer can be a death sentence. But let me tell you this there was help for him, and he wanted it. I talked to his doctor just one week before. As soon as I talked to his Dr and he agreed to go to treatments she had him at the house.

I know not all situations are the same but trust me, I knew the nurse and she explained it to me. To those people you have a choice to end your life or not, His wife of 2 weeks made that choice for him. She claimed he was not in his right mind to make that choice, but his mind was good enough to be married. I could write a book on what she did. And trust me it all came out in the end. She was on coke and she got rid of him. She used his tumor and made everyone think he was crazy.

He kept telling me, I believed her at first too. But then things were not adding up, I asked him to give me permission to see the Dr. then the truth started to come out. She was not taking him to his treatments. The Dr had every reason to believe he had a good chance. Think about it anyone with Cancer is terminal if they don’t want treatment. It all came out. the whole truth before my Dad died. I believe God was going to take him. But not the way he suffered and what she did it to him. THey forced medication on him. but my boy fought them to the end. They kept saying this is for your pain, He said I have no pain please leave me alone. They forced it, he was not allowed to eat. Trust me I know what I saw. He begged for Father, But she would not allow Father to come.

 

[BMSODM]

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In Roman Catholic moral theology, a mortal sin, as distinct from a venial sin, must meet all of the following conditions:

1). its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter;
2). it must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense (though nobody is deemed to be ignorant of moral laws, embedded into the consciences of every human being);
3). it must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a “personal decision” to commit the sin.

These sins must be specifically confessed and named, giving details about the context of each sin: what sin, why, against what or whom, the number and type of occurrences, and any other factors that may exacerbate or lessen one’s responsibility and culpability. A penance must be preformed.
It also should not be said that certain of these sins, like purposely missing Mass on Sunday, is considered equal in gravity to more grave ones, like first-degree murder:** Roman Catholic belief holds that grave matters that lead to mortal sins can vary somewhat in their seriousness, and thus canon law only criminalizes some of the more serious grave matters into mortal sins.

However, for any sins that lack the above mitigating factors and meet the three criteria listed, the “mortal” effect remains present. Confession forgives these sins in this life time. For all sin there is wages that must be paid. That will happen after death to purify us before entering Heaven. But a Mortal sin, unconfessed, will bring eternal damnation!
God Bless

First off please forgive me, I had a really bad headache last night and probably didnt make myself clear when I posted my comment. I agree mortal sin can bring you eternal damnation but I dont agree that ALL mortal sin will. I, like you posted above, dont beleive just because someone misses mass and doesnt go to mass on Holy Days will defently go to hell. I dont beleive if someone is an adulterer that if they didnt confess it that there 100% going to hell. I do beleive certain sins will be greater then others and one stands no chance of forgiveness, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit but I cant beleive Gods Mercy being as great as it is won’t cover some grave sins or mortal sins.

The difference in accord to what God has shown me is that if we confessed our sins in confession and do penence(and I dont mean just saying a couple of prayers either) while we still are covered with the graces to endure these sufferings are much better off then waiting until we do our time in purgatory. Depending on the gravity of the sin will depend on the level of purgatory we are in and it will depend on the time we spend there.

We should willfully offer ourselves up as a sacrafice for not only our sins but for our brothers and sisters and the whole world as well (that is being Christlike). Many children pray for no sufferings and that my friend is a big mistake we should in turn be praying for the grace to endure our sufferings and willfully ask for them and always unite these to the cross with our Lord.

Intercession is a very powerful thing in Gods eye and its not just reserved for the ones already made perfect. We are to intercede for as many people as we can. It doesnt matter if there already converted and we can through Christ make an atonement for alot of our brothers sins through intercession. Just like when we pray for the souls in purgatory. We become a bridge for these souls and our prayers become theres. They dont have the grace to be heard while being refined. Its only our prayers that are heard on there behalf. This goes for the living as well. These so called sons of satan cant be heard because they have seperated themselves through deception and we as children can be heard and we should want every soul to come to repentence and the only way they can is if God hears our prayers on there behalf and through Jesus sacrafice we willfully become one with Him and offer our sacrafice for them. We dont become Jesus or take his place we just work through Jesus as He works in us. We are just a branch off the vine…

There is nothing written that says souls won’t be given a chance to accept Christ after this life. Its better for us if we do but there are exception’s to every rule…

NEVER SAY NEVER All things are possible to those who love God and I want every soul to repent that I pray for and I my friend love God…

 

[rinnie]

When I think of the damage done to the Pro-life movement by threads like this one, it turns my stomach.

This will be my last post on this thread. I even regret allowing myself to be drawn back into the conversation yesterday afternoon.

God help us.
Sincerely,

Sorry to hear that Peter, because I really wanted to hear your opinion on why you are so impressed with Sarah? And why you would love to be on the bus with her. I especially would love to hear what you think about her views on birth control are?

 

[guanophore]

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Hi Guan,

Hope you had a Happy New Year’s Eve.

'You did that trick them Protestant’s do, didn’t you? Twisting “righteous entitlement” out of my stating that It was my Right ** bacause I have the "free will"and scriptural support not to pray for anyone who commits murder of innocent babies!
That was is soo cute, do it again! I like magic tricks!

I think judging others is the biggest risk! One of us is wrong! I also have scriptural support for that!

Oh, I wasn’t judging you, per se. I think righteous entitlement is the biggest risk no matter who is engaged in it, you, me, the man who thinks he has righteous entitlement to take the lives of the innocent. No matter who embraces it, it is still wrong.

 

[Peter_J]

Sorry to hear that Peter, because I really wanted to hear your opinion on why you are so impressed with Sarah? And why you would love to be on the bus with her. I especially would love to hear what you think about her views on birth control are?

So let me get this straight. You described yourself as being “on the bus with” Realcatholicgk. Then you said that Sarah Palin would not be welcome on your “bus”.

… And you think that I’m the one who has explaining to do?

(Really sheds some light on why Obama and Biden won the election.)

Have a nice life.
Sincerely,

 

[rinnie]

So let me get this straight. You described yourself as being “on the bus with” Realcatholicgk. Then you said that Sarah Palin would not be welcome on your “bus”.

… And you think that I’m the one who has explaining to do?

(Really sheds some light on why Obama and Biden won the election.)

Have a nice life.
Sincerely,

I did not ask you what your opinion of RC is. I asked you what your opinion on Sarah Palins birth control issue. And yes The Priest and RC can ride on the same bus as I. Now could you answer my question. What is your opinion of her birth control issues. This has nothing to do with Obama. We are not talking about him.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

I did not ask you what your opinion of RC is. I asked you what your opinion on Sarah Palins birth control issue. And yes The Priest and RC can ride on the same bus as I. Now could you answer my question. What is your opinion of her birth control issues. This has nothing to do with Obama. We are not talking about him.

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Hi rinnie,

The bus will be titled: Defenders of the Unborn
“You were loved before you were murdered”.

PeterJ appears to be a liberal, he proably thinks it is better than abortion, less blood!

What impresses me most about PeterJ is his self rightist arrogant beliefs. I think he would rather sit on a bus praying with George Tiller, the killer!.

Anyway, Like Maria Callas once said “When my enemies stop hissing, I shall know I’m slipping”

Sometimes I wonder …“Why is that Frisbee Getting Bigger?” …and then it hits me.**

 

[Chris_LaRock]

What impresses me most about PeterJ is his self rightist arrogant beliefs. I think he would rather sit on a bus praying with George Tiller, the killer!

Thanks for not calling him ‘doctor’.

 

[BMSODM]

RealC***

You said:
"Good people, with ideas like yours ,is the reason there is abortion in the first place. Don’t you realize that? "

Im kinda offended by that statement. I’m not angry but sad someone can say something like that. Your implying that because I’m meek I am weak. Remember the Lord said “vengance is mine sayeth the Lord”. Its a pretty harsh comment to say that Im in part are responsible for abortion.

You said:
"We don’t have to sin when we are angry. We have Jesus as our example. When Jesus cleared the temple of the money changers and animal-sellers, He showed great emotion and anger "

We are to use the Saints as our examples as well aren’t we? Well how many Saints can you name that got angry at the sinners themselves? I’m talking about Saints in the last couple of hundred years, not the Early Church.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

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I like magic tricks! **

God’s going to perform the greatest magical act ever when He makes all of the baby killers disappear on judgment day.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

RealC***

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hi BM,

You are good people, better than I me that is for sure. I was tired and cranky when I posted that. Please accept my apology! **

You said:
"Good people, with ideas like yours ,is the reason there is abortion in the first place. Don’t you realize that? "

Im kinda offended by that statement. I’m not angry but sad someone can say something like that. Your implying that because I’m meek I am weak. Remember the Lord said “vengance is mine sayeth the Lord”. Its a pretty harsh comment to say that Im in part are responsible for abortion.

**Sorry BM I meant no harm really!
Meekness can be viewed weakness, acceptance or even approval. WE are ALL part of the reason that abortion still exists. Remember the movie where the guy said “I am mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore”?
It has been 35 years BM, 35 years. 4.2 Million babies, over 7,500.000 since the Iraqan war started! All we have to do is YELL I am mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore! and then do what we can to stop it in our small portion of the earth that God allotted to our care! **

You said:
"We don’t have to sin when we are angry. We have Jesus as our example. When Jesus cleared the temple of the money changers and animal-sellers, He showed great emotion and anger "

We are to use the Saints as our examples as well aren’t we?

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Of course! **

Well how many Saints can you name that got angry at the sinners themselves?

**None, that I know of. Do you think someone keeps track of that information? Why does it have to be at the sinners, not the sin?
Myself, and I know you will find this hard to believe, but I am not even close to a Saint and I am not angry at any mother who had an abortion. I pray for them every day! I will even accept and pray for any abortionist after they repent. **

I’m talking about Saints in the last couple of hundred years, not the Early Church

**Well, I can think of about 145 that I personally fought with in Vietnam that died around me! I think many of them were angry, scared, or maybe even worse. They gave their lives for their brothers, so I am only guessing they were Saints. I do know they are dead and I am sure, like me, were angry!

God Bless**

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[Realcatholicgk]

God’s going to perform the greatest magical act ever when He makes all of the baby killers disappear on judgment day.

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Hey, PeterJ and BM are going to get angry at you! :tsktsk: How dare you say that! **

:extrahappy: :dancing:
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God Bless**

 

[BMSODM]

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Hey, PeterJ and BM are going to get angry at you! :tsktsk: How dare you say that! **

:extrahappy: :dancing:
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God Bless**

When have I ever implied that I was angry with anyone here? I might not find someones soul going into eternal fire at all funny but I can’t be angry at someone who is ignorant to what hell is. And who is ignorant to how much suffering it cause God to cast that soul into the pit. Remember Im meek so I get sad not mad.

And some people actually think they will be standing before God. Crawling and crying and begging might be a better word in place of standing…

 

[BMSODM]

RealC***

You said:
"All we have to do is YELL I am mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore! and then do what we can to stop it in our small portion of the earth that God allotted to our care! "

Render to Ceaser what is Ceaser’s. We are told to abide by the laws of our land. We don’t have to agree with them but we are under them. That is why we pray for Mercy. We should vote to elect people who have our values, but more often then not were only given a choice to pick the lesser of two evils.

I said: *“Well how many Saints can you name that got angry at the sinners themselves?” *

you replied:
“**[None, that I know of. Do you think someone keeps track of that information?”/COLOR]

Yes I do, its called there biography’s. Read the lives of the Saints and you will find almost every cannonized Saint never got angry in there ministry’s. You claim you read the diary of Sister Faustina, but I’m not sure you have. I can only go by your posts but it seems to me that if you did read the whole diary your understanding of Gods mercy would be much different. Remember her diary was approved by Mother Church after it was picked apart word for word and found to be in perfect union with the scriptures. Not one contridiction in 700 pages from an uneducated women with no theology training.

you said:
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Its (just) anger towards the sin, but not just towards the sinner. God alone holds that right to be angry at the sinner, not us. That would make us a hypocrite. Jesus was pure in His anger, we are not and you even agree by your own statement: "Myself, and I know you will find this hard to believe, but I am not even close to a Saint"

So if your not even close then how can you say your anger towards George the sinner is justifed. The sin itself yes, but not the sinner. Jesus knew the hearts when He turned the tables you my friend dont know Georges heart. Remember the words of St. Francis, “There go I be it not for the grace of God”…

you said:
"**Well, I can think of about 145 that I personally fought with in Vietnam that died around me! I think many of them were angry, scared, or maybe even worse. They gave their lives for their brothers, so I am only guessing they were Saints. I do know they are dead and I am sure, like me, were angry! " **

Well that is your problem, your looking to the imperfect to try to be perfect. Yes, they may be Saints now, but chances are they weren’t then. Can you testify that they led lives in accord with the holiest of holy. Unless you can then chances are they weren’t saints that you should follow by example. There are countless Saints who can be an example for you on humility and meekness. These were some of the holiest of holy and if they didn’t get angry to the point you are towards another soul no matter how much that soul sinned then what gives you that right? Aren’t we all trying to be Saints? If we are then why not look to our examples given to us by God?**

 

[mom4truth]

NonCatholic:

You’re probably right where you’re supposed to be “at this time” - a non-Catholic. God will call you home when the time is right.

Blessings,

 

[Chris_LaRock]

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Hey, PeterJ and BM are going to get angry at you! :tsktsk: How dare you say that! **

:extrahappy: :dancing:
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God Bless**

I tend to offend people. Like when I posted my humorous blog ‘Child aborts mother’. I especially liked the part where the child held a press conference from his highchair to explain why he went down to the “planned childhood” clinic to have the parental abortion.

I like to use sarcasm to show the stupidity of pro-abort logic.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

**Hi BM,

I have prayed on it. I have decided that I like you too much to argue with you. I would just hurt your feeling more and don’t wish to be cruel. I use to feed flies to spiders, Now I just crush the spiders!

I won’t ignore you, my friend, I just won’t argue with you! BTW, You would loss, Jesus is on my side!

Click on the picture below to enlarge it! ! Please pray that his children. We wouldn’t want them “punished” for making a mistake. You like to pray for people who deserve it!

Yea Chris, I know, But I like sarcasm also!
God Bless! **

 

[BMSODM]

Realcatholicgk:
RealC***
That comment does sadden me, its sad to see how people beleive a life is punishment. But it sure does show how they realize there doing something wrong by having sex out of wedlock.
Its to bad that they are only seeing partial truths…

Your wish is my command my friend and brother. Even though I dont feel Im arguing with you about anything. I feel it’s discussing our Lords Word against the diffences of our own understandings of The Word. But if you see it as agruing I will respect that. Look we disagree on something else…

Spiders…:frighten: I hope I’m not a spider because I’m scared of spiders…

 

[Realcatholicgk]

RealC***
That comment does sadden me, its sad to see how people beleive a life is punishment. But it sure does show how they realize there doing something wrong by having sex out of wedlock.
Its to bad that they are only seeing partial truths…

Your wish is my command my friend and brother. Even though I dont feel Im arguing with you about anything. I feel it’s discussing our Lords Word against the diffences of our own understandings of The Word. But if you see it as agruing I will respect that. Look we disagree on something else…

Spiders…:frighten: I hope I’m not a spider because I’m scared of spiders…

**Hi BM,

I think we can agree that we have to pray for Chris. He actually has hate in His heart.
Myself, I actually don’t BM. I can seperate the sin from the sinner! I always render to Ceasar what is His. I have rifles and guns. if I wanted to “solve problems” on my own I could. But even animal’s like George the Killer’s life is valuable to God. No one should take another’s life unless it is lawful! Now if we could get abortions declared illegal:thumbsup:

God Bless **

 

[rinnie]

**Hi BM,

I think we can agree that we have to pray for Chris. He actually has hate in His heart.
Myself, I actually don’t BM. I can seperate the sin from the sinner! I always render to Ceasar what is His. I have rifles and guns. if I wanted to “solve problems” on my own I could. But even animal’s like George the Killer’s life is valuable to God. No one should take another’s life unless it is lawful! Now if we could get abortions declared illegal:thumbsup:

God Bless **

You know thats the thing, you and I will never stop abortion. Evil is evil. But Like i said alot of people that get them are not evil people, some are scared, etc. But what my point is why do we have to pay for some thing we totally disagree with. Why does our goverment dollars have to support these clinics. Why can’t they go to homes where a girl can go until she does have her baby and have people donate time to help these girls and find these babies homes. I agree not all can afford or for whatever reason raise these children, but we know God will provide these babies with loving parents. I wonder if we had a choice to have the goverment separate these tax dollars what people would support more. But either way why do we have to support murder. Look how they said the world would be too small, etc years ago, Yeah right. what happened. the opposite. Now people are paying millions to adopt any baby from poor countries, just to get a baby. Just think what that money could do in this country and the lives it could save. And everyone would be happy! Especially God. Then maybe people in this country would not have to take a pill for all the anxiety they have. They would be too busy helping others, and loving instead of hating everyone and everything.