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susanj19
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Menorrah,
Sorry, but you got it wrong. James, the “brother” of the Lord, is not the son of Joseph. You probably assume this because of the word “brother” or “brethren”. If you combine the verses that mention the “brethren” of the Lord, Mt 27:56 “…the mother of James and Joseph”, Mk15:40 “…the mother of James the less and of Joseph, and Salome”, Jn19:25 “And meanwhile his mother(Jesus’), Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen had taken their stand beside the cross”, Thus, the mother of James and Joseph must be the wife of Cleophas. But in Mt10:3, James is the son of Alphaeus, which would mean this Mary, whoever she was, was the wife of both Cleophas and Alphaeus. One solution is that she was widowed once, then remarried. More probably Alphaeus and Cleophas (Clopas in Greek) are the same person, since the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek in different ways, either as Alphaeus or Clopas. If the testimony of Hegesippus, a 2nd century historian is believed, Cleophas was the brother of Joseph, the foster father of Jesus.–taken from Fragment in Eusebius Pamphilius, Historia ecclesiastica 4,22,4;3,11,1. James would thus be Joseph’s nephew and a cousin of Jesus. In the bible, “brother” or “brethren” can mean blood-brother (Andrew, the brother of Phillip), close relative (Mt 12:46), kinsman (Dt 23:7, 2 Esd5:7, Jer 34:9 2Kings10:13-14), even friend (2 Sam1:26, 1Kings9:13, 1Kings20:32) or ally (Amos 1:9). Thus, the 4 “brothers” of Jesus, being James, Joseph (or Joses), Simon, and Jude, are the cousins of Jesus. Karl Keating explains further reasoning on how it is impossible for them to be blood-brother or even half-brothers of Jesus in his book, Catholicism and Fundamentalism. But we know from the Bible itself that they are not the half or blood brothers of Jesus. And the word, “until”, did not have the same meaning as today when used in the bible. It had no implication of future action, as in the vs. “Mary and Joseph had no relations until the birth of Jesus.” That means they had no relations before the birth, to emphasize Mary’s virginity. Proof of this is in the following verses (2Sam 6:23, Gen8:7, Deut 34:6, and my favorite 1Macc5:54 which ways “And they went up to mountZion with joy and gladness, and offered holocausts, because not one of them was slain TILL they had returned in peace.” Were they slain after they returned in peace by their own people? NO.
Peace of Christ be with you.
Sorry, but you got it wrong. James, the “brother” of the Lord, is not the son of Joseph. You probably assume this because of the word “brother” or “brethren”. If you combine the verses that mention the “brethren” of the Lord, Mt 27:56 “…the mother of James and Joseph”, Mk15:40 “…the mother of James the less and of Joseph, and Salome”, Jn19:25 “And meanwhile his mother(Jesus’), Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen had taken their stand beside the cross”, Thus, the mother of James and Joseph must be the wife of Cleophas. But in Mt10:3, James is the son of Alphaeus, which would mean this Mary, whoever she was, was the wife of both Cleophas and Alphaeus. One solution is that she was widowed once, then remarried. More probably Alphaeus and Cleophas (Clopas in Greek) are the same person, since the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek in different ways, either as Alphaeus or Clopas. If the testimony of Hegesippus, a 2nd century historian is believed, Cleophas was the brother of Joseph, the foster father of Jesus.–taken from Fragment in Eusebius Pamphilius, Historia ecclesiastica 4,22,4;3,11,1. James would thus be Joseph’s nephew and a cousin of Jesus. In the bible, “brother” or “brethren” can mean blood-brother (Andrew, the brother of Phillip), close relative (Mt 12:46), kinsman (Dt 23:7, 2 Esd5:7, Jer 34:9 2Kings10:13-14), even friend (2 Sam1:26, 1Kings9:13, 1Kings20:32) or ally (Amos 1:9). Thus, the 4 “brothers” of Jesus, being James, Joseph (or Joses), Simon, and Jude, are the cousins of Jesus. Karl Keating explains further reasoning on how it is impossible for them to be blood-brother or even half-brothers of Jesus in his book, Catholicism and Fundamentalism. But we know from the Bible itself that they are not the half or blood brothers of Jesus. And the word, “until”, did not have the same meaning as today when used in the bible. It had no implication of future action, as in the vs. “Mary and Joseph had no relations until the birth of Jesus.” That means they had no relations before the birth, to emphasize Mary’s virginity. Proof of this is in the following verses (2Sam 6:23, Gen8:7, Deut 34:6, and my favorite 1Macc5:54 which ways “And they went up to mountZion with joy and gladness, and offered holocausts, because not one of them was slain TILL they had returned in peace.” Were they slain after they returned in peace by their own people? NO.
Peace of Christ be with you.