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So what you are really saying is that Paul wrote most of the New Testament and as the author of those writings he mentions himself more than any other person … 🤷

Peter is listed more times than any other apostle but he was not writing about himself and those “Books” were authored by others …

How many times is Paul mentioned in any of the four Gospels?

how many times is Peter mentioned in the four Gospels?

Where is the early church witness to your Pope Paul of Ephesis?
 
Pauline Primacy-51 Reasons
1. Paul is the only apostle who is called God’s chosen vessel who will bear His name before Jews and Gentiles (Acts 9:15).
2. Paul is the last apostle chosen by God, apart from the other twelve.
3. The resurrected Christ appears to Paul in a different way than He appeared to the other apostles (Acts 9:3-6).
4. Paul is the only apostle who publicly rebukes and corrects another apostle (Galatians 2:11).
5. Paul is the only apostle who refers to his authority over all the churches (1 Corinthians 4:17, 7:17, 2 Corinthians 11:28).
6. Paul is the only apostle to call himself “father” (1 Corinthians 4:15).
7. Paul is the steward of God’s grace (Ephesians 3:2). This means that Paul is the overseer of salvation. Fellowship with Paul and his successors is necessary for salvation.
8. Paul is mentioned more in the New Testament than any other apostle.
9. The book of Acts, which mentions all of the apostles, discusses Paul more than any other apostle.
10. Paul was the first apostle to write a book of scripture.
11. Paul wrote more books of the New Testament than any other apostle.
12. Paul is the first apostle to be taken to Heaven to receive a revelation (2 Corinthians 12:1-4).
13. Paul is the only apostle Satan was concerned about enough to give him a thorn in the flesh (2 Corinthians 12:7).
14. Paul seems to have suffered for Christ more than any other apostle (2 Corinthians 11:21-33).
15. Paul seems to have received more opposition from false teachers than any other apostle did, since he was the Pope (Romans 3:8, 2 Corinthians 10:10, Galatians 1:7, 6:17, Philippians 1:17).
16. Paul seems to have traveled further and more often than any other apostle, as we see in Acts and his epistles, which is what we might expect a Pope to do.
17. Only Paul’s teachings were so advanced, so deep, that another apostle acknowledged that some of his teachings were hard to understand (2 Peter 3:15-16). Peter’s understanding of doctrine doesn’t seem to be as advanced as Pope Paul’s. Paul has the primacy of doctrinal knowledge.
18. Paul was the first apostle whose writings were recognized as scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16).
19. Paul singles himself out as the standard of orthodoxy (1 Corinthians 14:37-38).
20. Only Paul refers to himself having a rod, a symbol of authority (1 Corinthians 4:21).
21. Paul initiates the council of Acts 15 by starting the debate with the false teachers (Acts 15:2) and delivering a report to the other church leaders (Acts 15:4).
22. Peter’s comments in Acts 15:7-11 are accepted only because Pope Paul goes on to confirm them (Acts 15:12).
23. When the Corinthians were dividing over which apostle to associate themselves with, Paul’s name was the first one mentioned (1 Corinthians 1:12).
24. Paul was the only apostle with the authority to deliver people over to Satan (1 Corinthians 5:5).
25. Paul had the best training and education of all the apostles (Philippians 3:4-6).
26. Paul is the only apostle to call the gospel “my gospel” (Romans 2:16).
27. Paul writes more about the identity of the church than any other apostle does (1 Corinthians 12, Colossians 1, Ephesians 4-5), which we might expect a Pope to do. Paul is the standard of orthodoxy and the Vicar of Christ on earth, so he has the primary responsibility for defining what the church is and who belongs to it.
28. Paul writes more about church government than any other apostle does, such as in his pastoral epistles.
29. Paul discusses church unity more than any other apostle does (1 Corinthians 12-14, Ephesians 4), suggesting that he was the one responsible for maintaining church unity because of his papal authority.
30. Paul writes more about the gospel than any other apostle does (Romans, Galatians). As the leader of Christianity, Paul was most responsible for explaining the gospel and other Christian doctrine.
31. After Jesus, Paul speaks more about the kingdom of God than anybody else does (Acts 14:22, 19:8, 1 Corinthians 4:20, Galatians 5:21, 2 Thessalonians 1:5). After leaving earth, Jesus passed on the responsibility of teaching about the kingdom of God to Paul, the king of the church on earth.
32. Paul speaks of revealing mysteries more than any other apostle does (Romans 11:25, 1 Corinthians 15:51, Ephesians 5:32, 6:19, 2 Thessalonians 2:7), since he was the chief teacher of the church.
33. Paul was the only apostle other people tried to impersonate (2 Thessalonians 2:2), since he had more authority than anybody else.
34. Paul’s clothing works miracles (Acts 19:11-12).
35. Paul is delivered from death more than any other apostle (Acts 14:19, 28:3-6, 2 Corinthians 11:23).
36. The Jewish exorcists in Acts 19:13 associate themselves with Paul rather than with any other apostle.
37. The demons in Acts 19:15 recognize Paul’s primacy.
38. The Jews in Acts 21:28 recognize Paul’s primacy, saying that he’s the man they hold most responsible for teaching Christianity everywhere.
39. Paul had authority over the finances of the church (Acts 24:26, 2 Corinthians 9:5, Philippians 4:15-18).
40. Paul acts as the chief shepherd of the church, taking responsibility for each individual (2 Corinthians 11:29). For example, Paul was Peter’s shepherd (Galatians 2:11).
41. Paul interprets prophecy (2 Thessalonians 2:3-12).
42. Only Paul is referred to as being set apart for his ministry from his mother’s womb (Galatians 1:15).
43. Jesus Christ is revealed in Paul (Galatians 1:16), meaning that Paul and his successors are the infallible standard of Christian orthodoxy.
44. Paul is the only apostle who works by himself, only later coordinating his efforts with the other apostles (Galatians 1:16-18).
45. Only Paul is referred to as bearing the brandmarks of Christ (Galatians 6:17).
46. Every Christian was interested in Paul and what was happening in his life, looking to him as their example and their encouragement (Philippians 1:12-14).
47. Christians served Paul (Philippians 2:30).
48. Paul worked more than the other apostles (1 Corinthians 15:10), since he had more responsibilities as Pope.
49. Paul was to be delivered from every evil deed (2 Timothy 4:18), meaning that he was infallible.
50. Only Paul is referred to as passing his papal authority on to successors who would also have authority over the church of God (Acts 20:28).
51. Among the seven churches addressed in Revelation 2-3, the church of Ephesus is mentioned first, since the bishops of Ephesus have primacy as the successors of Paul. The church in Ephesus “cannot endure evil men” (Revelation 2:2), meaning that the bishop of Ephesus is infallible when speaking ex cathedra on matters of faith and morals. The Ephesian church puts false teachers to the test (Revelation 2:2) by exercising its papal authority. The bishop of Ephesus has the responsibility of evaluating all teachers and declaring which are orthodox and which are not. None of the other churches in Revelation 2-3 are described as having this authority.
Are you suggesting Paul should be the Protestant Pope ?

We know Paul accepted Peter as the one chosen by Christ for foundation of Church.

Paul, Peter, John … all are co-equals in Christ.
 
So what you are really saying is that Paul wrote most of the New Testament and as the author of those writings he mentions himself more than any other person … 🤷

Peter is listed more times than any other apostle but he was not writing about himself and those “Books” were authored by others …

How many times is Paul mentioned in any of the four Gospels?

how many times is Peter mentioned in the four Gospels?

Where is the early church witness to your Pope Paul of Ephesis?
Think about it, YADA, myfavoritmartin understands the BOOK to be the startng point. Therefore Paul’s contribution is valued above all else; even the gospels would be subordinated to Paul because Paul WROTE more. In a quirky way it makes sense. But it rejects the entire context of Scripture, which IS the Church, and the whole milieu of the Apostolic tradition in which the New Testament arose. For Bible-only people, the Bible – and the Bible alone – is a self-reflecting “context”.
 
Another person who does NOT consider Paul an apostle.
Paul is mentioned MORE than Peter BTW…

**This is some of the MOST effortless apologetics i’ve seen. **
First of all, myfavoritmartin, Paul/Saul is mentioned 185 times in the Bible but Peter 195, so even if we included Paul, he’d still be less mentioned (though not by much). Also, Paul, while a critically important apostle, was not one of the original 12. That’s probably one of the reasons why he isn’t included in these figures.

Would you respond to the other scriptural arguments I presented?

Also, I’d appreciate less rudeness in your next posts.

One other thing. While I’d appreciate it if next time you’d say in your post how often Paul’s name is mentioned rather than making me do the research myself, I am glad that you told me that about how often Paul was named. The point you raised does weaken the impressiveness of the argument that Peter is named 195 times. I appreciate your knowledge on this matter.
 
Think about it, YADA, myfavoritmartin understands the BOOK to be the startng point. Therefore Paul’s contribution is valued above all else; even the gospels would be subordinated to Paul because Paul WROTE more. In a quirky way it makes sense. But it rejects the entire context of Scripture, which IS the Church, and the whole milieu of the Apostolic tradition in which the New Testament arose. For Bible-only people, the Bible – and the Bible alone – is a self-reflecting “context”.
It seems perverted in a way but I see yor point …

And I do not think that Paul was not an apostle though many even in his own day did] …

What you say makes sense… I have oserved that for many [not all] Protestants - Paul is higher inauthority than Jesus … though still lesser than the “Book” :eek:
 
I don’t think myfavouritemartin is saying that Paul actually should be Pope. He’s trying to say that the fact that a scriptural case can be made for Paul being pope invalidates the scriptural case for Peter being pope.
 
First of all, myfavoritmartin, Paul/Saul is mentioned 185 times in the Bible but Peter 195, so even if we included Paul, he’d still be less mentioned (though not by much). Also, Paul, while a critically important apostle, was not one of the original 12. That’s probably one of the reasons why he isn’t included in these figures.

Would you respond to the other scriptural arguments I presented?

Also, I’d appreciate less rudeness in your next posts.

One other thing. While I’d appreciate it if next time you’d say in your post how often Paul’s name is mentioned rather than making me do the research myself, I am glad that you told me that about how often Paul was named. The point you raised does weaken the impressiveness of the argument that Peter is named 195 times. I appreciate your knowledge on this matter.
Actually Paul 228 to 184 here’s a link…AS if it mattered…

biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=paul&version1=31&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no
 
It seems perverted in a way but I see yor point …

And I do not think that Paul was not an apostle though many even in his own day did] …

What you say makes sense… I have oserved that for many [not all] Protestants - Paul is higher inauthority than Jesus … though still lesser than the “Book” :eek:
That is certainly not true of strong Evangelical scholars, but it DOES seem to be the operational platform of many pew-apologists for whom debating these things is a hobby.
 
Are you suggesting Paul should be the Protestant Pope ?

Paul, Peter, John … all are co-equals in Christ.
I’m suggesting the silly ways you guys drive to prove a papacy are ridiculous. And could be used with others like Paul for example…

NO need for a POPE.
 
You should have checked that source more thoroughly. It includes subject headings that were never in the original manuscripts. That’s why you have the inflated number.

Also, while one might argue from your collection of references to Paul’s actions that some of the incidents involving Peter doing things first doesn’t make that big a difference, there are many references in there that do directly suggest authority and which have to be responded to.

You see, you can argue that being the first to do a miracle of a certain kind doesn’t make that big a difference, because Paul was the first to be snatched up to Heaven, so he had first occasions of experiencing the miraculous too. However, that wouldn’t refute the fact that repeatedly the scripture says, “Peter and his companions,” or “Peter and the apostles,” giving specific and clear distinction to Peter. There are several scriptures like this which do directly suggest authority and for which there are not any Pauline parallels or equivalents.
 
Think about it, YADA, myfavoritmartin understands the BOOK to be the startng point. Therefore Paul’s contribution is valued above all else; even the gospels would be subordinated to Paul because Paul WROTE more. In a quirky way it makes sense. But it rejects the entire context of Scripture, which IS the Church, and the whole milieu of the Apostolic tradition in which the New Testament arose. For Bible-only people, the Bible – and the Bible alone – is a self-reflecting “context”.
All scripture is EQUAL in value, please refrain from putting your silly words in my mouth.
 
You should have checked that source more thoroughly. It includes subject headings that were never in the original manuscripts. That’s why you have the inflated number…
Okay my esword gave Peter/cephas 168 Saul/Paul 181
 
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