Prop 8 found to be unconstitutional...struck down!

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Of course homosexuals have equal protection and the right to marry - nobody disagrees with that.

They just can’t marry people of the same sex because marriage can only exists between a man a woman.
AMEN!

If the restriction between genders is lifted, what other restrictions of marriage will be lifted? Pretty soon you can marry anyone, or anything, you want to marry.

Rights must have limits. Does the right to bear arms mean each and every American has the right to have a tank on their driveway?
 
Who says that they will limit it to those in sexual relationship? What is to prevent anybody from marrying anybody? You could marry your best friend, your roomate, whatever.
Presumably the definition of marriage does only include people in a sexual relationship. I can’t think of any good reason for defining it so narrowly but that seems to be what we are going with for right now. 🤷

Does anybody for gay marriage care to explain to me why sex is an essential part of a marriage?
 
Thank you. This is A Social Engineering Project. It is built on force. Voters in California rejected this twice but that obviously meant nothing. Why did they bother to put this on the ballot?
That is actually a good question. The court challenge to Proposition 8 predated the vote by six months or so… Why the vote was allowed to take place, in the presence of this court challenge, is anyone’s guess,
 
Too difficult to police without an all invasive State, which I’m sure that you do not want. 🙂
Agreed that it might be difficult to police; as such extend benefits to same-sex couples as they might adopt children by those who have them out of wedlock/other situations which, in effect is helping to raise the next generation of citizens. Its a fair and equitable resolution to the issue.
 
Suppose they make “no valid attempt”? How do you know that the marraige is nothing more then a sham? As another poster said prior, its too tough to police.
You can’t. It is also difficult to police child abuse, and we don’t allow that, either.
 
He’d have to concentrate on shrinking government, reducing the national debt, and increasing government transparency… no political future in that.

At any rate, the best way to protest gay *civil *marriage licenses (gay marriage doesn’t actually exist, because it is an oxymoron) would be for Christian couples to refuse to buy civil marriage licenses, thereby completely removing the legitimacy of the government to issue marriage licenses. Turn their license-regime into a mockery, and leave them scrambling to make up the loss of income.

It would save us all money on our tax bills, as well. 👍
There is a Christian writer who advocates this…I don’t think any of his kids were married with permission of the state. They all wrote up their own marriage covenants and had them notarized. But I can’t think of who this person is…I’ll find out.
 
Until our generation, there has never been a question about what marriage meant - a union between a man and a woman, period!!! Why would you have to define something that is already completely understood and accepted by society. It never occurred to our Founding Fathers that people of the same sex would ever ask to be married. In fact, it never occurred to anyone in the history of mankind until the last 20 years.
But wait… have they included a definition of “children” in the Constitution? I am convinced that my pet goldfish is my baby. I love it like a child. That must count for something! Some people are against equal rights for goldfish, but that’s just because they are ichthyophobic.

:rolleyes:
 
You seem to be misinterpreting what I have said. According to another CAF member, marriage is a right under the US Constitution. If marriage is a right, then the 14th amendment would extend marriage rights to gays, as well as heterosexauls. It is a question of equal protection under the law.

I am not saying this is true. But it does seem to be the reasoning of the judge who ruled in the case we are discussing.
“equal protection”? What, exactly, is being protected?

God bless,
Ed
 
Presumably the definition of marriage does only include people in a sexual relationship. I can’t think of any good reason for defining it so narrowly but that seems to be what we are going with for right now. 🤷

Does anybody for gay marriage care to explain to me why sex is an essential part of a marriage?
One of the reasons for all this confusion is we have completely lost the reason for marriage. Marriage was created by God to picture the relationship he has with his Church. That is why we are called the Bride of Christ. Just as the marital sexual relationship between a man and a woman produces children, so the relationship between God and his church produces spiritual children, who are born into eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven.

To refuse to procreate in marriage is the same as if God closed off his church to the world and refused to allow anyone the gift of eternal life. Just as the church is always open to new converts, so a husband and wife must always be open to children in their marriage. And that means sex!

To allow two people of the same sex to marry is to pervert marriage because it destroys the main reason for the marital relationship - to bring children into the world and ultimately into the Kingdom of God. Same sex marriage is a perversion, pure and simple.

Everything in this world has 1 of 2 origins - it is either of the devil or it is of God. Since same sex marriage cannot fulfill the purpose of marriage, it’s not hard to figure out what its origin is.
 
So it’s not possible for gays to want the monetary benefits that come with being married? Interesting. They’re just in it for exclusivity, right?
Gay boyfriend to gay boyfriend. If I marry you, I want you to know it’s only for the money.

God bless,
Ed
 
Who says that they will limit it to those in sexual relationship? What is to prevent anybody from marrying anybody? You could marry your best friend, your roomate, whatever.
That’s an excellent question. How can the state put sexual restrictions on same-sex unions?
 
Agreed that it might be difficult to police; as such extend benefits to same-sex couples as they might adopt children by those who have them out of wedlock/other situations which, in effect is helping to raise the next generation of citizens. Its a fair and equitable resolution to the issue.
I will repeat: in California gays already have all the rights of marriage. This isn’t about rights; it’s about an agenda.
 
But wait… have they included a definition of “children” in the Constitution? I am convinced that my pet goldfish is my baby. I love it like a child. That must count for something! Some people are against equal rights for goldfish, but that’s just because they are ichthyophobic.

:rolleyes:
This is the liberal argument taken to its ultimate conclusion, and trust me, if our society survives this for any length of time, it will happen.
 
There is a Christian writer who advocates this…I don’t think any of his kids were married with permission of the state. They all wrote up their own marriage covenants and had them notarized. But I can’t think of who this person is…I’ll find out.
A private contract would be better protected by the law than civil marriages are. No unilateral dissolvement (no-fault divorce). You’d have to pay a penalty for leaving without cause. And child support is extra-marital, anyway.

I’ve been trying to think of a benefit to civil marriage and I keep coming up blank.
 
This is the liberal argument taken to its ultimate conclusion, and trust me, if our society survives this for any length of time, it will happen.
I really love my doggy. What if Spot can’t visit me in the ICU? Boo, hoo. You guys are so mean. Religious fanatics! Dog haters!

Look at these puppy eyes. How can you be so cruel! How can you deny Spot equal protection under the law?

:rotfl:

What if I want to ensure that my best buddy inherits? Wasn’t there a case recently where some woman bequethed everything to her dog, and it went to court?
 
Not really. They already said that a long time ago. This was just the icing on the cake. The death of civil marriage comes in stages, you know:
  • contraception
  • abortion
  • easy divorce
  • child support for single women
  • gay marriage
Civil marriage has been dying for a while now. They just decided to kick it one more time, for good measure.
Are you aware that 78% of all marriages never end in divorce? The state of marriage is far healthier than we are told by the left. The divore rate skyrockets only because many people divorce 2,3,4 and 5 times, which skews the numbers to make it look as if half the marriages end in divorce…not true.
 
I will repeat: in California gays already have all the rights of marriage. This isn’t about rights; it’s about an agenda.
I agree with you about Cali gays having all the rights of marriage; however I’ll go farther and state that it should be a national law permitting same-sex unions between consenting couples.

I don’t agree that its agenda driven though. The people who want same-sex marriage don’t want anything more then those who have the rights of traditional marraige. Plain and simple.
 
Dale_M, why do you keep bringing up this bogus arugment? Of course there is no “traditional definition” of marriage in the constitution. I’ve argued this point before, but I’ll argue it again. Until our generation, there has never been a question about what marriage meant - a union between a man and a woman, period!!! .
The Founding Fathers could not anticipate assault rifles or surgical abortions. The courts have to rule as to their intent.

The courts have no reason to exclude gay marriage. That is all I am saying.

If marriage is indeed a right (which another member claimed via Living v Virginia) then equal protection under the law (as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment) will extend to gay marriage.
 
I really love my doggy. What if Spot can’t visit me in the ICU? Boo, hoo. You guys are so mean. Religious fanatics! Dog haters!

Look at these puppy eyes. How can you be so cruel! How can you deny Spot equal protection under the law?

:rotfl:

What if I want to ensure that my best buddy inherits? Wasn’t there a case recently where some woman bequethed everything to her dog, and it went to court?
As GK Chesterton said, if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. Case in point.
 
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