Prop 8 found to be unconstitutional...struck down!

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Luigi_Daniele said:
In this case, yes. But it is very hard to get something conservative passed here (except in off year elections)
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I’m right there with you - I live in New York City. Conservatives here are treated like lepers. I think we’re considered one step below pedophiles.
 
Brooklyn said:
I think you’re wrong. The majority of people in this country do not approve of same sex marriage. It has been struck down by every state in which it has been put to a vote by the people, including California, which was the reason for this ruling. It is the liberal judiciary that keeps making it law. And we need to stand up to them.
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The appeal will go to the 9th Circuit, a liberal court and the decision will likely be upheld. It is likely then to go to the Supreme Court, regardless who won on appeal.

We don’t know what the Supremes will do. They may consider it a matter for the states to determine and refuse to hear the appeal. There’s also no guarantee that they will reverse the decision.

How, then, do you plan to stand up to the courts?
 
Wow, this thread is flying but I did my best to read it all. 🙂
Shellac said:
I think you are wrong. I can see tax exempt getting pulls at churches for “hate speech”. I can see schools getting very ugly. I can see folks freedom of speech being limited. There will be more…
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Schools are a major target - even Catholic/private schools have been pressured based on the miniscule amount of federal money they receive for technology and safe school grants.
Shellac said:
No we will see polygamy back first.
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Based on the small amount of the ruling posted here, there is no logical reason to deny polygamous marriages in California.
AmyS said:
All the proposition said was that the state recognized marriages between man and women. How does that do anything you state? All men can marry a woman and vice versa. Where is the discrimination?
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Especially since civil unions are already legal there.
Kuan_Yin said:
Regardless of what SCOTUS rules, one day same sex marriage will be legal in every state.
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Enought states have one man - one woman in their constituttions that the only way it will be legal in every state is with SCOTUS intervention. And if that happens, I think “every state” will be a number much smaller than 50.
What is interesting about this ruling is the judge stated that Prop 8 violates the US Constitution. In the past the favorable same sex marriage rulings were always regarding a state constitution…so this will be interesting to see where this leads and how it will affect Federal policies regarding LGBT rights. At the moment there is the Massachusetts ruling that strikes down DOMA that is heading towards the US Supreme Court
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Prop 8 changed the California constitution so it couldn’t be unconstitutional based on the CA constitution. Prop 8 was round 2 after a previous resolution that did not ammend the constitution.
Luigi_Daniele said:
Court issued a stay. No new gay marriages for now.

Judge knows he’s going to be overturned 🙂
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Thank heaven for small favors.
 
Brooklyn said:
I think you’re wrong. The majority of people in this country do not approve of same sex marriage. It has been struck down by every state in which it has been put to a vote by the people, including California, which was the reason for this ruling. It is the liberal judiciary that keeps making it law. And we need to stand up to them.
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I disagree. The states have voted against same sex marriage, but the citizens are becoming soft on the issue. Even in CA the numbers are not as high as it used to be, and that is my point. Over time if you cook the people long enough in tepid water, they will not care when the heat is turned-up.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
TWe don’t know what the Supremes will do. They may consider it a matter for the states to determine and refuse to hear the appeal. There’s also no guarantee that they will reverse the decision.
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Were the USSC to refuse to hear the appeal, would it leave it up to the states? Being heard in a federal court, it would be fodder for precedent for lawsuits across the country. If the 9th circuit were to uphold the decision (very likely), then it would become ground on which to challenge all state laws and DOMA. And one of those would likely end up in the USSC.

It’ll be in the USSC at some point. And until then, we won’t have resolution to this issue.

What strikes me though, is that this was a constitutional amendment, not a law. It’s unclear to me how judicial review applies to state constitutional issues. Say, for example, a federal amendment to the Consitution were to be ratified of the same vein as the California, one. Would there be a lawsuit to declare it unconstitutional since it apparently would contradict the 14th Amendment?
 
This is sad, truly sad. I do not oppose gays by any means, however the issue of marriage/sex I do oppose, for obvious reasons that the Catholic Church has clearly stated. Rioting and anti-homosexual slurs are not needed, as we all observe on the online community of YahooNews. However, on Twitter, my posts respectfully against the verdict received some nasty feedback.

Honestly, why is it so hard to resist the Truth? Why do so many people have this “Do what you want” attitude. Has society replaced God with their own ‘god’, one of moral relativism and self-worship? Sad.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
The appeal will go to the 9th Circuit, a liberal court and the decision will likely be upheld. It is likely then to go to the Supreme Court, regardless who won on appeal.

We don’t know what the Supremes will do. They may consider it a matter for the states to determine and refuse to hear the appeal. There’s also no guarantee that they will reverse the decision.

How, then, do you plan to stand up to the courts?
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The SC, imo, will not reverse the decision. As much as I hate this situation, I must also be clear minded–they agenda to make gay marriage the law of the land is being won quite convincingly. People have been sleeping, now it is likely too late.

The thing I feel really sad about are the people who push for SS marriage, they have absolutely no clue what they are doing, they think it is the same as the civil rights movement and they just could not be more wrong. They are working to rip a major foundation of the western world out from under the structure and when their job is done and they see the state of the nation at that time, it will be too late to reverse–only then will they know what they did for narsisistic reasons.
 
This news made my day! :extrahappy:

A great victory in the battle for equality and religious liberty!
 
Suudy said:
Were the USSC to refuse to hear the appeal, would it leave it up to the states? Being heard in a federal court, it would be fodder for precedent for lawsuits across the country. If the 9th circuit were to uphold the decision (very likely), then it would become ground on which to challenge all state laws and DOMA. And one of those would likely end up in the USSC.

It’ll be in the USSC at some point. And until then, we won’t have resolution to this issue.
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You are correct. I didn’t mean to say that it was something to be resolved in state courts. But, the Supreme Court could still refuse to hear the case.
 
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