Prop 8 found to be unconstitutional...struck down!

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I’m very glad they have decided to overturn Prop 8. One more step towards equality 👍
 
cyberwolf001 said:
This news made my day! :extrahappy:

A great victory in the battle for equality and religious liberty!
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WHAT? Religious liberty? How can you possibly twist this anti-religion ruling into being a victory for religious liberty? Do you not see that it is a matter of time before Churches are forced to marry same sex couples, or else close their doors? How is that liberty?
 
irishpatrick said:
I disagree. The states have voted against same sex marriage, but the citizens are becoming soft on the issue. Even in CA the numbers are not as high as it used to be, and that is my point. Over time if you cook the people long enough in tepid water, they will not care when the heat is turned-up.
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Sigh. I know that the tactic of the Left is to just wear people down, and they do seem to be succeeding in doing that. But I can still hope you’re wrong. One thing I do know - we need prayer, and lots of it, to save our country. “You belong to God, children, and you have conquered them, for the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.” I John 4:4
 
bosonhiggs said:
I’m very glad they have decided to overturn Prop 8. One more step towards equality 👍
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Please understand, and give this much thought, if we reach equality in result for everyone, than we lose most of our cherished liberties as well. We cannot have equality and liberty, they simply do not go hand-in-hand…it is impossible.

Before you respond…THINK.

If everyone must be treated equally, than that will include in all things and in all ways. genders will be declared utterly the same. Religions will have to comply with all equality laws or they will be legally forced to shutter their doors. Religions will go underground like in the days of the catacombs.

You must choose: liberty or equality–you cannot have both. Choose wisely.
 
irishpatrick said:
WHAT? Religious liberty? How can you possibly twist this anti-religion ruling into being a victory for religious liberty? Do you not see that it is a matter of time before Churches are forced to marry same sex couples, or else close their doors? How is that liberty?
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sigh… just ignore the Koolaid gang here. There’s a reason they can’t express their position with anything but trendy but vacuous catch-phrases and giddy emoticons.
 
Brooklyn said:
Sigh. I know that the tactic of the Left is to just wear people down, and they do seem to be succeeding in doing that. But I can still hope you’re wrong. One thing I do know - we need prayer, and lots of it, to save our country. “You belong to God, children, and you have conquered them, for the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.” I John 4:4
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No need to “sigh.” 🙂

With God all things are possible, so yes there is always hope. However, our sin is unspekably great as a corporate body (the USA) and we make the greater nearly every day. Oftentimes it is said that God allows punishment to come to us from ourselves, rather then from Him.

You know, if we as a people cannot grasp the true gravity of the situation, than we have no hope to change things. Sadly, most people never really grasp the gravity…they just “hope” for the best.
 
JimG said:
How can it not? Based on this ruling, first polygamy, then pederast marriage, then polyandry, then whatever you want.
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I don’t know about that, but I do wonder what the meaning/point/nature is of marriage now.

Do you need to have sex? Apparently not, since consummation requirements are largely gone. You don’t need to have children. You don’t have to be of a certain gender. You need to be of legal age, and homo sapiens.

Is it so that people can publically express love? I know married people who seem to hate each other’s guts.

Can someone who is in favor of this ruling explain the nature of the marriage contract? Is it a partnership for accumulating property? Why aren’t roommates included? If it includes everyone, whether they like each other, touch each other, have children or live in the same house or not, when why have marriage at all? Just eliminate the institution, since it doesn’t have any particular cultural significance.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Not hardly. 😦
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I see a resurgence of NAMBLA, spurred by the hope that this ruling will bring to marriage between pederast and adolescent. Age of consent is only a number, and can be changed. Does the 14th Amendment allow us to discriminate by prohibiting marriage between a man and his boy? Wait for it.
 
Suudy said:
Would it have satified liberals if there were a constitutional amendment to make Jim Crow laws permanent?
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What liberals are you referring to who would have supported making Jim Crow laws permanent??? :eek: None, but none that I’ve ever known!
 
JimG said:
I see a resurgence of NAMBLA, spurred by the hope that this ruling will bring to marriage between pederast and adolescent. Age of consent is only a number, and can be changed. Does the 14th Amendment allow us to discriminate by prohibiting marriage between a man and his boy? Wait for it.
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I shall, but I wouldn’t advise conservatives to hold their breaths until that happens. :rolleyes:
 
irishpatrick said:
WHAT? Religious liberty? How can you possibly twist this anti-religion ruling into being a victory for religious liberty? Do you not see that it is a matter of time before Churches are forced to marry same sex couples, or else close their doors? How is that liberty?
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You over react. This hasn’t happened except in two cases where the money was payed up front with full knowledge of the couples being same sex and then backed out without giving a refund. The courts ruled that as the church knew the people where homosexual had taken and spent the money they must now honor the agreement.

Mean time we Pagans are being told who we MAY and MAY NOT marry. Along with Christian Churches that have no problem marrying gays.
 
irishpatrick said:
No need to “sigh.” 🙂

With God all things are possible, so yes there is always hope. However, our sin is unspekably great as a corporate body (the USA) and we make the greater nearly every day. Oftentimes it is said that God allows punishment to come to us from ourselves, rather then from Him.

You know, if we as a people cannot grasp the true gravity of the situation, than we have no hope to change things. Sadly, most people never really grasp the gravity…they just “hope” for the best.
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I believe that the Great Depression and WWII were the discipline we needed at that time to save our country, as it had become extremely immoral during the 1920’s, and it worked, producing the “Greatest Generation.” But we have gone way beyond the immorality of the 1920’s. What will it take this time?
 
The perfectly legal voice of over 7,000,000 people were washed today. What would give anyone real hope that any judge will be stopped from forcing these rulings upon the entire nation?

7,000,000+ Californians ignored…they were utterly meaningless.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
What liberals are you referring to who would have supported making Jim Crow laws permanent??? :eek: None, but none that I’ve ever known!
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Ooops! I didn’t read what I wrote. And what I wrote came out very different from what I was thinking.

I meant, would liberals be satisfied were there to be a contitutional amendment to outlaw Jim Crow laws?
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Not hardly. 😦
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This court has ruled you can not discriminate against people based on their sexual behavior. Can you give me any justification this judge gave for approving of homosexual marriage that is not equally valid for an an incestuous marriage, say between a father and a son, or polygamous marriage? Once we have determined that sexual behavior constitutes a protected group we cannot limit that right to only those who engage in homosexual behavior.
 
cyberwolf001 said:
Mean time we Pagans are being told who we MAY and MAY NOT marry. Along with Christian Churches that have no problem marrying gays.
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And we Christians are also told whom we can and cannot marry. The “Christian” churches that marry homosexuals are not Christian churches.
 
irishpatrick said:
The SC, imo, will not reverse the decision. As much as I hate this situation, I must also be clear minded–they agenda to make gay marriage the law of the land is being won quite convincingly.
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I believe that you are correct.
 
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