Prop 8: Sorry, I gotta ask

[Vladi]

Uhh… let’s not flatter ourselves *too *much.

But I’ll level with you, in all honesty. Every religion *does *have it’s moment-- that’s a given.

There are other times, however, when it’s a bit of a ball n’ chain. I have a horrible feeling in the pit of my heart and soul that this is the moment. Don’t worry, though. I’m only a teenager.

Well I’m glad you came down to “level with me” the fact is more death and suffering has been brought on the 20th century than any other century. Atheism and the modern world’s fetish for new technology brought this on not Catholicism.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Well I’m glad you came down to “level with me” the fact is more death and suffering has been brought on the 20th century than any other century. Atheism and the modern world’s fetish for new technology brought this on not Catholicism.

And to be honest, Technology has been our best friend… the only problem is when people decide to manipulate it in a negative way… which, now that I think about it, religion is worked the same way: Some enjoy and embrace it for what it’s worth, but too many decide to abuse it.

 

[Vladi]

And to be honest, Technology has been our best friend… the only problem is when people decide to manipulate it in a negative way… which, now that I think about it, religion is worked the same way: Some enjoy and embrace it for what it’s worth, but too many decide to abuse it.

I would say there have been more good men in the Catholic Church than bad. The bad ones get the most notice partially due certain groups with agendas. Also historically speaking renewal comes from within the Church. I say this for the Catholic Church. I think history has shown Islam and Protestantism to be violent and generally backwards due to their strict emphasis of God’s will (as opposed to a Rational God). But “progressivism” has the blood of hundreds of millions on it’s hands. I have the audacity to hope that one day modern liberalism will be thrown onto the ash heap of failed ideologies.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

I would say there have been more good men in the Catholic Church than bad. The bad ones get the most notice partially due certain groups with agendas. Also historically speaking renewal comes from within the Church. I say this for the Catholic Church. I think history has shown Islam and Protestantism to be violent and generally backwards due to their strict emphasis of God’s will (as opposed to a Rational God). But “progressivism” has the blood of hundreds of millions on it’s hands. I have the audacity to hope that one day modern liberalism will be thrown onto the ash heap of failed ideologies.

Well, that’s not very nice… or valid. If it wasn’t for liberalism, we’d still have African American slaves, we’d still probably be in the hands of Britain-- in many senses, we wouldn’t be here.

 

[santodomingo]

Don’t worry, though. I’m only a teenager.

You are also a confused teenager. But how can we expect any coherent dialogue from someone with a blasphemous quote about praying for Satan in his signature?

 

[santodomingo]

When people exchange the Truth for a lie, there´s little we can do to help them but pray. It´s getting to the time when you have to explain the ABC to grown men and women. Sad how my two-year-old has a greater grasp on fundamental truths than most adult americans!!

As someone has already pointed out, a marriage between two men is like a square circle; it simply does not exist. We can talk all day about things that exist only in our fantasy world, like pink elephants, invisible paintings, or fairy godmothers, but it won´t help us to understand what´s happening in society.

Morality is crumbling. Nobody wants to be told that how they live is wrong, so we have decided that EVERYTHING IS OK. Hey, I´ve got news for you; everything is NOT OK!!! Try reading the Bible. There is quite a list of things God doesn´t like!

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

You are also a confused teenager. But how can we expect any coherent dialogue from someone with a blasphemous quote about praying for Satan in his signature?

Number 1: I’m a girl. No worries, though; everyone makes that mistake.

Number 2: I’m not that confused… I just like to question things. I’m on a road to enlightenment… :whacky: Let’s be glad that I’m not like those *other *teenagers.

Number 3: Mark Twain said it. Not me.

 

[RobbyS]

Well, that’s not very nice… or valid. If it wasn’t for liberalism, we’d still have African American slaves, we’d still probably be in the hands of Britain-- in many senses, we wouldn’t be here.

Liberalism has more than one meaning, and the most benevolent is that which comes from the British tradition. The continental form has always been more malevant, more hostile to Christianity. Madison came form the former and worked out a means by which a government could allow Christianity to thrive with a minimum of control. Continental liberalism began its reign by open warfare on the Church. What we call secularism is this sort of liberalism, which had its supporters among the radicals in England and America but which did not until
the second half of the 20th century begin its ascendency. Its original instrument was the New Deal Court, but now it has captured the academy which now openly teaches what Willim Buckley claimed that it taught covertly in his controversial book, “Up From Liberalism.”

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Liberalism has more than one meaning, and the most benevolent is that which comes from the British tradition. The continental form has always been more malevant, more hostile to Christianity. Madison came form the former and worked out a means by which a government could allow Christianity to thrive with a minimum of control. Continental liberalism began its reign by open warfare on the Church. What we call secularism is this sort of liberalism, which had its supporters among the radicals in England and America but which not until
the second half of the 20th century begin its ascendency.

If that’s the case, then the American people must really be getting sick of how things are run lately. :ehh:

I just hope things don’t get too violent. We have to remember that history repeats itself. If this ends up being like the Civil Rights Movement, I’m gonna be mad.

 

[RobbyS]

If that’s the case, then the American people must really be getting sick of how things are run lately. :ehh:

I just hope things don’t get too violent. We have to remember that history repeats itself. If this ends up being like the Civil Rights Movement, I’m gonna be mad.

Obama seems to be a liberal of the European sort. At least that is the ideology that seems to guide him. The most hopeful way I hsve have looking at him is that he is at bottom a Chicago pol who loves power more than ideas.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Obama seems to be a liberal of the European sort. At least that is the ideology that seems to guide him. The most hopeful way I hsve have looking at him is that he is at bottom a Chicago pol who loves power more than ideas.

Well, even though, I think it’s down hill for us, regardless of who’s president, let’s not judge too quickly. He hasn’t even gone into office, yet.

 

[edwest2]

The Church clearly teaches that gay sex is disordered. All laws establish limits. Someone is singled out and if they break the law, there are consequences. The discrimination argument does not apply here. Two men or two women can live together and do what they want, but if what they want to do is against natural and religious principles, it should be commented on.

This isn’t the government’s fault. This is a government of the people. If you have 100 people on an island, and the majority decides that some particular way to live is right and correct and they have natural law and moral law to back it up, then what happens to the 2 or 3 dissenters? They can still do what they want in the privacy of their own home, but when they try to impose it on everybody else as “normal,” then what?

I think Catholics should be aware that the people have spoken in California twice. That plans are already being made for what happens Beyond Gay Marriage.

firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=330

That all the LGBT Community has to do is convince a few people in power, and then force their agenda on little kids, and the parents have no “right” to opt out. That’s what’s happening. It’s happening whether the parents agree or not. That is wrong. What about the parents’ rights?

And the mantra here is, “Hey. What’s the big deal?”

God forbid.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Vladi]

Well, that’s not very nice… or valid. If it wasn’t for liberalism, we’d still have African American slaves, we’d still probably be in the hands of Britain-- in many senses, we wouldn’t be here.

Thousands of African Americans are murdered thanks to abortion. In three days more blacks will be slaughtered from abortion than were killed in the entire history of the KKK. The American War for Independence stemmed for the colonists desire to not be TAXED . As the saying going if liberals miss you with abortion they’ll make sure to tax you to death.

We can also thank leftism for gardenspots such as the Soviet Union where 100 million were slaughtered in the name of equality

 

[Vladi]

Number 1: I’m a girl. No worries, though; everyone makes that mistake.

Number 2: I’m not that confused… I just like to question things. I’m on a road to enlightenment… :whacky: Let’s be glad that I’m not like those *other *teenagers.

Number 3: Mark Twain said it. Not me.

Its obvious your a girl…

 

[yellowbicycle]

Don’t speak for Catholics, let them speak for themselves. Your answer is certainly correct, but it does not form the essence of the Catholic objection to honmosexual marriage.

I would say a homosexual marriage is an oxymoron. It is like a square circle- such simply by definition does not exist. There is no such thing. It is a non thing.

You are absolutely right. My answer does not speak for the Catholic church. I was trying to sum up the general vibe I was getting from people, religious and non-religious alike, who voted on Prop 8. Thank you for clearing up any confusion there may have been.

And, to answer another poster:
Homosexual marriage DOES impact my marriage. The fact that Britney Spears was married for fourteen hours affects my marriage. And yes, if I could outlaw her getting married, too, I probably would. The fact that SO many marriages end in divorce affects my marriage. The fact that people are disloyal in their marriages, affects my marriage. How could any of this not affect my marriage?
And what if it didn’t? Should I not care? Does something have to impact me, specifically, for it to be something I should care about?

 

[KathleenElsie]

Catholics, and others who were for Prop 8 saw it as an attack on the family. I think it would be fair to say that a large number of our nation’s problems can be tied back to the disintegration of the family unit. So I don’t think people saw this as an isolated issue. It’s more of a cause and effect. People feel that if you protect marriage, and the family and life, that is in fact the solution to many of the problems you just named.

Prop 8 supports the family as to one man and one woman.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Thousands of African Americans are murdered thanks to abortion. In three days more blacks will be slaughtered from abortion than were killed in the entire history of the KKK. The American War for Independence stemmed for the colonists desire to not be TAXED . As the saying going if liberals miss you with abortion they’ll make sure to tax you to death.

We can also thank leftism for gardenspots such as the Soviet Union where 100 million were slaughtered in the name of equality

I do not believe abortion is an equal right. Not at all. I see that horrid act as a special right that we do *not *need! Just because I seem liberal, don’t *ever *think I am pro-choice because I’m not.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Its obvious your a girl…

I’m almost afraid to ask what you mean by that. :ehh: Maybe I’m just overreacting.

 

[estesbob]

Well, that’s not very nice… or valid. If it wasn’t for liberalism, we’d still have African American slaves, we’d still probably be in the hands of Britain-- in many senses, we wouldn’t be here.

At the core of the abolition movemen was Religion-something modern liberalism insints must not be allowed to taint the govt or its policies. Modern liberalism supports the killing of some 400,000 black children a year so the idea that somehow African Americans should be thankful to them is somewhat specious.

And of course your comment about Liberals being responsible for our breaking away from Britain is a real hoot. Modern liberals disdain the military in every way. They would have considered the revolution an unjust war .

 

[Vladi]

I do not believe abortion is an equal right. Not at all. I see that horrid act as a special right that we do *not *need! Just because I seem liberal, don’t *ever *think I am pro-choice because I’m not.

But you probably voted for Barack right? The most radical pro-abortion politican in the Senate.