Propaganda Then and Now

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Via BoingBoing, 2Bangkok.com has some pictures of Japanese propaganda from WWII (click to enlarge): ridingsun.com/files/farewell380.JPG

It’s eerie how much this enemy propaganda from six decades ago resembles the New York Times op-ed page:

JAPANESE WWII PROPAGANDA

"Farewell, American Soldiers!" leaflet:Your politicians are among those who survive and are enjoying life comfortably at home. General Marshall and General MacArthur can enjoy their reputation as heroes only because they are alive. But you… you continue to march westwards to sure death, to keep your rendezvous with the grave.NEW YORK TIMES OP-ED

Bob Herbert, No End in Sight in Iraq, 8/10/05:The president is on vacation. He’s down at the ranch riding his bicycle and clearing brush. The death toll for Americans has streaked past the 1,800 mark. … But if Mr. Bush has experienced any regret about the carnage he set in motion when he launched the war, he’s not showing it.Sheesh. At least the Japanese gave their leaflets away free. A hard copy of the Times costs a buck.

FOLLOW-UP:
A translation of the Japanese-language propaganda materials on 2Bangkok.com can be found at Paul Battley’s po-ru.com. (Found via Mutantfrog.)

ridingsun.com/posts/1124201022.shtml
 
Propaganda for NOW…

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in…to kind of catapult the PROPAGANDA - G.W Bush

“Nothing wrong with a dictatorship…as long as I am the dictator” - G.W Bush

Plus…

We fight them there so we dont have to here
Theres a mushroom cloud coming
There are WMDs
We wage war to bring peace
We fight to give them freedom
We fight so they can vote
We fight so they can have a constitution

Stay tuned… :rotfl:
 
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gilliam:
The president is on vacation.
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I think some of the president’s opponents blow this vacation thing out of proportion. First, it really shouldn’t matter if he works at his ranch. And second - something most people don’t know - some white house staff is only allowed to take their vacations when he is gone, so when he works at his ranch staff can enjoy some of their vacation time.

Not really a big deal.

Thanks for another great thread, gilliam. 👍
 
space ghost:
…yes propagand is a marvelous tool…

you can work people up into such a frenzy…

you can build hate to a whole new level…
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I think that is the point of the article. And I think the American Left is doing it today. Just listen to Air America and the lies that are coming out of the group at Crawford and compair what they are saying with what enemy propaganda said about us in WWII. The purpose of propaganda is to build your troop and citizen’s moral up while terring the enemies moral down.

What is happening today is the American and British Left is that they are giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
 
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gilliam:
I think that is the point of the article. And I think the American Left is doing it today. Just listen to Air America and the lies that are coming out of the group at Crawford.
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…couldn’t disagree with you more… fox news and a healthy number in these forums could give lessons on disinformation and spin, but hey, it’s america… i support their right to their opinion, it’s only the so-called right that would love to quiet or squelch the truth… IMHO…

Peace:cool:
 
space ghost:
…couldn’t disagree with you more… fox news…could give lessons on disinformation and spin,
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Your evidence against Fox News is?

I keep hearing from the left Fox News is biased but yet they always have a conservative or a Republican offset by a liberal or a Democrat–maybe I’m should be watching the channel at 4am? Cuz during the day and evening I get to hear from both partys equally.
 
space ghost:
…couldn’t disagree with you more… fox news and a healthy number in these forums could give lessons on disinformation and spin, but hey, it’s america… i support their right to their opinion, it’s only the so-called right that would love to quiet or squelch the truth… IMHO…

Peace
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Again, the point I am making is that Air America and a number of other Leftest outlets are acting as propagandists for the enemy. That is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

I have no problem with people given aid and comfort to our troops, and neither does the US Constitution.
 
If terrorists nuke us, we will nuke them…how does pay for them?
 
space ghost:
…couldn’t disagree with you more… fox news and a healthy number in these forums could give lessons on disinformation and spin, but hey, it’s america… i support their right to their opinion, it’s only the so-called right that would love to quiet or squelch the truth… IMHO…

Peace:cool:
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God Bless ya Space Ghost!

If anything its the Neo NAZI Cons who are spreading disinformation and propanganda… these people arent compassionate… and they certainly arent Conservatives…

People think the Rainbow has been hijacked and wanna take that back?

Take back Christ from the Neo Cons! He has certainly been hijacked by them!
 
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gilliam:
Again, the point I am making is that Air America and a number of other Leftest outlets are acting as propagandists for the enemy. That is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

I have no problem with people given aid and comfort to our troops, and neither does the US Constitution.
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…i understand your point… my point is, to the arab world, we are the enemy, Abu Ghraib saw to that… we have invaded a country that could do us no harm… it’s only natural for the Arab world to want us out of their part of the globe… we provided the Arab world with all the ammunition they needed to hate america… what little you acuse the “so-called Leftest outlets” (in your opinion) can’t hold a candle to the crimes we have committed in the name of “spreading freedom”! In my opinion…

…the constant barage of “their out to get us” mentality does not serve this country… again in my opinion…

Peace:thumbsup:
 
space ghost:
…i understand your point… my point is, to the arab world, we are the enemy, Abu Ghraib saw to that
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We were the enemy to the islamofacists long before Abu Ghraib. The bombing of the WCT in the 1990’s or the kohbar Towers or the 2 embassies which were blown up or 9/11 ring a bell?

Maybe those were signs of friendship instead being out to get us?
 
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thestickman:
Your evidence against Fox News is?

I keep hearing from the left Fox News is biased but yet they always have a conservative or a Republican offset by a liberal or a Democrat–maybe I’m should be watching the channel at 4am? Cuz during the day and evening I get to hear from both partys equally.
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…you see it differently then me… no surprise here… i don’t watch as much as you… don’t need to… the spin is obvious to me… it’s ok to disagree… really is…

Peace:thumbsup:
 
And for someone to say Air America is spreading lies is someone who is NOT listening to them and is spreading disinformation.

I DO listen to them…ALL DAY…

And then I turn on Fox in the evening for my dose of hyperbole 😛

without doubt… the spin is coming from the radical right

The great thing about Air America is that they arent programmed Bush zombies…

Each person who has a time slot has their own mind and own opinions on things…yes… they differ, and its refreshing after hearing the mindlessness of the Rush zombies, the Hannity zombies and the OReilly zombies… its ALL THE SAME… and their spin is even the same… I’d call that ON POINT PROPAGANDA.

To be sure I aint a fan of all Air Americas hosts… I find Mike Malloy to be mean and nasty just like Mike Savage…

Randi Rhodes is as acerbic as Ann Coulter…except randi tells the truth…

I just love how Fox and O Reilly like spining that “nobody listens to Air America”…HA! Thats more spin…they are GROWING in the markets and even BEATING OReilly and Hannity in some…but you wont hear those two twits admit THAT! They only mention the markets where they beat Air America…again…typical Republican HALF TRUTH…

Rush Limbaugh is sending out PHONY PRESS RELEASES stating he is beating Ed Shultz in the ratings…REALLY? Ed called Rush out the other day and asked him how Rush could beat him when Eds show DOESNT EVEN GO AGAINST Rushs in the same time slot! Some more radical right propaganda! These crazies are lying and doing anything to keep from losing ground!

Shultz also challenged Rush to unwrap himself from his flag and PROVE how patriotic he truly is and go mano a mano on a pay per view event and DEBATE each other on cable! No notes allowed…just their own knowledge and ALL THE PROCEEDS go to the Troops! Rush wont respond… 😃

O Reilly last week: This Cindy Sheehan thing is QUICKLY dying down and going away…HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Thats why he cant stop talking about her!
Thats why Rush cant stop lying about her!
Thats why 1600 vigils ACROSS THE NATION were done in her honor!

The crazy right is FRIGHTENED that her spark is actually creating a LEGITIMATE MOVEMENT across the NATION!

Anyone who cant see this needs to clean their rose colored glasses 😉

GOD BLESS AIR AMERICA and Progressive Talk radio! The Right are threatened and its HILARIOUS to see them spin and lie. 😃
 
space ghost:
…you see it differently then me… no surprise here… i don’t watch as much as you… don’t need to… the spin is obvious to me… it’s ok to disagree… really is…

Peace:thumbsup:
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So you don’t have any evidence to validate your assertion? Okkie dokkie.
 
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gilliam:
Again, the point I am making is that Air America and a number of other Leftest outlets are acting as propagandists for the enemy. That is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

I have no problem with people given aid and comfort to our troops, and neither does the US Constitution.
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What do you want to do, lock the media up?
 
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thestickman:
So you don’t have any evidence to validate your assertion? Okkie dokkie.
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…no less or more than you can fabricate… an not the time nor the space to play your game… but hey, that’s what makes the world go round…interpretation…

Peace:thumbsup:
 
space ghost:
…no less or more than you can fabricate… an not the time nor the space to play your game… but hey, that’s what makes the world go round…interpretation…

Peace:thumbsup:
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Wow, you worked in some fallaciousness and uncharitible suggestions into one post.

I guess Alan Colmes is a fabrication as is Ellen Ratner, Wesley Clarke, Juan Williams, and the list of liberal contributors on Fox News goes on.
 
I’d hardly call a liberal PAID BY FOX to commentate as someone having all the facts… or even being a strong debater…which is proved nightly…its in FOXs best interest to keep it that way. Alan Colmes…nice guy…but… :rotfl:

Let someone who is as forceful as Hannity be his sidekick…within 10 minutes people would see Sean is nothing but an unknowledgable blowhard rhetoric and hyperbole selling on point propagandist who repeats like a trained Parrot…
…put on an Ed Shultz or Al Franken to go against Hannity…heck…even Jerry Springer would blow Hannity out of the water with his knowledge of politics and history!.. it’ll never happen…why? cause FOX ISNT “fair & balanced” and theres a REASON someone like Alan Colmes was chosen to be his liberal sidekick…right down to Alans less attractive looks contrasted to Seans apple pie flag waving all american jingoist persona… its subliminal…and its worked cause its fooled so many… once the rose colored glasses are removed this stuff can be seen quite clearly…FOX is like watching wrestling… all flash and all scripted… 😉
 
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