Proper attire for Mass

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Funny that because it is not the casual dressers that are commenting here, in case you haven’t noticed. I, for one, am not a “casual” dresser. However, I also do not pay attention to the dress of those around me as I am there to worship God, not judge others and worry about how they are dressed. I’m thankful that they have made it to church. I especially like it when they fill the parking lots and I cannot find a place to park on a extra special holy day. In fact, Ash Wednesday is my favorite day of the year because that is the day I’m reminded how many people actually do love God - since we are likely to get a skewed perception from the media etc. So you see, you spending your time in worry about variables that probably do not cause any kind of harm to our tradition, is in vain. Besides the fact, there are many people who are poor and do not have clothes to wear except maybe a t-shirt with a stain and a pair of tattered jeans. You do not know the circumstances of all people, and if you claim to, you are wrong. People are just doing the best they can with what they have - that includes the knowledge they have.

Christians are not supposed to argue and squabble about small facts. Saint Paul said it himself. And Jesus wore sandals.
I’m a casual dresser. In fact I allow myself a bit of leeway when attending Mass in horrible weather.

But I never wear anything to Mass that isn’t clean, neat and well thought-out NOR would cause scandal to others, no matter how comfortable I might wish to be.

An earlier poster said it very well. There are people working to destroy all standards, even down to the very notion of right and wrong.
 
I’m a casual dresser. In fact I allow myself a bit of leeway when attending Mass in horrible weather.

But I never wear anything to Mass that isn’t clean, neat and well thought-out NOR would cause scandal to others, no matter how comfortable I might wish to be.

An earlier poster said it very well. There are people working to destroy all standards, even down to the very notion of right and wrong.
Are you poor?

Better yet, did you miss the part of my post where I mention that people are doing the best they can with what “knowledge” they have.

You miss the point that these are people that love God. What are you talking about right or wrong? God is happy they are there. If it were up to you, you’d be at the front of the door stopping people from worship I suppose. I’m glad it’s not up to you and most priests & the Pope have lived or worked in 3rd world countries or other areas of the country where they can see that not every person is of one mind and culture.
 
Hi Veronica!

Many posts on this thread have already dealt with the strawman about how ‘proper dress’ is anti poor people.

First: Nobody is saying by “proper attire” that men are to wear tuxedos and women ballgowns. Or even that men are to wear Brooks Brothers suits and women June Cleaver dress and pearls.

Proper attire is one’s ‘best’ clothing that is modest.

That means that if a homeless man has nothing but the dirty rags on his body, that IS his ‘best’ and most modest attire.

It ALSO means that when he comes into the church, as St. James tells us, that we should be ministering to him. It is up to us to gently take this man, and to give him the clean, modest clothing and the food and the shelter that he needs, so that at the next Mass, instead of being in rags, he will have clean whole clothing, have eaten, and will have a shelter. We may have to do this over and over with some. . .that’s all right.

If we just sit back and say, "Because some are poor and ragged, we had better not make any kind of ‘preparation’ of our selves and our appearance, lest we ‘humiliate’ others’. . .we are not helping ourselves and we are not helping others.

Let me see if I can put it a little more clearly (hopefully).

There is a big difference that I see between being ‘focused on God and not looking for faults in others’ (which is I think what you are saying you are trying to do by not ‘noticing’ or by ignoring improper and immodest clothes and behaviors by other people, yes?). . .

and thinking that to ‘focus on God’ means to ignore or set aside any notion that, as an individual, one should try to present oneself at one’s best. . .and that means that in addition to preparing one’s **inside **through prayer, penance, and sacrifice, also preparing one’s **outside **as well. The ‘outside’ does matter. God never told us to ‘dress down’ or not to care about how we dress or act (so long as we ‘think’ we are only 'caring about God).

Too many people today think that God doesn’t care for them to be anything other than ‘what they are’. Warts and all, He will ‘love us’ and not expect us to have to put ourselves out and to dress, or act, in ‘unaccustomed’ or ‘uncomfortable’ ways.

But reading Scripture shows us something very different. Any time that we really are trying to follow God, we are ‘taking up our cross’. By definition, we are ‘putting ourselves out’. We are acting in unaccustomed and uncomfortable ways.

If we are ‘comfortable’ in everything about our Christian faith–comfortable in our ‘dress’, comfortable in our habits, comfortable in our judgments, comfortable in our ‘relationship’ with God and people. . .

We aren’t living our faith to the fullest. Some might argue we aren’t living it but ‘stagnating’ in a man-made faith in which we’ve picked what we ‘think’ Christianity is and go ‘thus far, and no further’ into its practice.
 
I’m with you Tantum Ergo!! Why are some folks so defensive on this topic? Personally I like having my special Sunday clothes.As others have already said way back when we were young a person had :
  1. School clothes… dresses only in my case
  2. Play clothes…
  3. Regular slacks shirts for shopping etc
  4. Church Clothes
And that was that.Designer clothing only existing in places like Paris and Madrid.Mom bought my clothes at JC Penney or Montgomery Wards.Or we sewed our own.Girls could not wear slacks let alone jeans to school (public school in my case)Boys had to have a button down shirt tucked in and belt.So if that was what we wore to school you know that our church clothes didn’t include jeans or t shirts.
 
Well, I guess I’ll chime back in on this one. Yes, it is true I wear jeans to Mass! O woe is me, I’m comfortable in jeans and have worn them for years although the ones I wear to Mass aren’t years old! LOL. I also wear sneakers more days than not and also pull out my mantilla before entering the Church proper so sue me! I guess one wouldn’t expect blue jeans and mantillas to mix, but mine do. I spoke up in favor of proper attire in Mass meaning modest, chaste, etc. not sexy, decadent, suggestive, etc. I am not happy when I see people dressed in what I consider suggestive clothing, whether that is a dress that is clingy and revealing or short shorts, etc. A woman, or a man for that matter, can be just as suggestive/sexy whether he or she wears dress clothes or casuals. And many do.

And not to distress the thread any more than it seems to be, but Mass isn’t a fashion show either and there is another area of distraction - the “I have the best dress in the crowd” crowd! O vanity of vanities - all things are vanity! The gals to eye each other for the parade of fashion that goes on! Oi. I couldn’t imagine what it was like when huge hats were the fashion!

Peace,

Gail
 
If you concentrate enough to the Eucharist, you’ll know how much reverence the Eucharist should be given…a reverence that should include the way you present yourself in front of the Lord.
‘In front of the Lord’??? :confused:

I am ALWAYS, at every moment, present in front of the Lord - and so are you, whether we’re naked in the shower, in our jimjams in bed, in jeans at the shop or anywhere else.

I find amusing this idea that somehow God doesn’t care what we wear (as long as it’s modest) anywhere else or on any other day, but has His clothing police cap on when we turn up to Church on Sundays. 🤷
 
‘In front of the Lord’??? :confused:

I am ALWAYS, at every moment, present in front of the Lord - and so are you, whether we’re naked in the shower, in our jimjams in bed, in jeans at the shop or anywhere else.

I find amusing this idea that somehow God doesn’t care what we wear (as long as it’s modest) anywhere else or on any other day, but has His clothing police cap on when we turn up to Church on Sundays. 🤷
I agree. I try to dress better for Church than on other days, but if I can’t, would it be better if I just didn’t go to Mass? I have kids at home, and with running trying to get THEM ready, what if I just don’t have time to get out a nice outfit?
 
Hi Veronica!

Many posts on this thread have already dealt with the strawman about how ‘proper dress’ is anti poor people.

First: Nobody is saying by “proper attire” that men are to wear tuxedos and women ballgowns. Or even that men are to wear Brooks Brothers suits and women June Cleaver dress and pearls.

Proper attire is one’s ‘best’ clothing that is modest.

That means that if a homeless man has nothing but the dirty rags on his body, that IS his ‘best’ and most modest attire.

It ALSO means that when he comes into the church, as St. James tells us, that we should be ministering to him. It is up to us to gently take this man, and to give him the clean, modest clothing and the food and the shelter that he needs, so that at the next Mass, instead of being in rags, he will have clean whole clothing, have eaten, and will have a shelter. We may have to do this over and over with some. . .that’s all right.

If we just sit back and say, "Because some are poor and ragged, we had better not make any kind of ‘preparation’ of our selves and our appearance, lest we ‘humiliate’ others’. . .we are not helping ourselves and we are not helping others.

Let me see if I can put it a little more clearly (hopefully).

There is a big difference that I see between being ‘focused on God and not looking for faults in others’ (which is I think what you are saying you are trying to do by not ‘noticing’ or by ignoring improper and immodest clothes and behaviors by other people, yes?). . .

and thinking that to ‘focus on God’ means to ignore or set aside any notion that, as an individual, one should try to present oneself at one’s best. . .and that means that in addition to preparing one’s **inside **through prayer, penance, and sacrifice, also preparing one’s **outside **as well. The ‘outside’ does matter. God never told us to ‘dress down’ or not to care about how we dress or act (so long as we ‘think’ we are only 'caring about God).

Too many people today think that God doesn’t care for them to be anything other than ‘what they are’. Warts and all, He will ‘love us’ and not expect us to have to put ourselves out and to dress, or act, in ‘unaccustomed’ or ‘uncomfortable’ ways.

But reading Scripture shows us something very different. Any time that we really are trying to follow God, we are ‘taking up our cross’. By definition, we are ‘putting ourselves out’. We are acting in unaccustomed and uncomfortable ways.

If we are ‘comfortable’ in everything about our Christian faith–comfortable in our ‘dress’, comfortable in our habits, comfortable in our judgments, comfortable in our ‘relationship’ with God and people. . .

Again, you are missing the point, this isn’t about comfort, but you think it is and that is why you judge. You take the time to look at a person in church, think of a reason they are dressed the way they are and pass judgment. Perhaps the clothes they have are the “best and most appropriate” in their mind. Some day, they will be aghast at what they wore, but today they believe they are wearing the best and most appropriate to them. It is a knowledge that may come in time. They may never know that what they wore offended you (my wish would be that they would never know) but believe me, most have no idea you are judging them and if they did, they’d stop going. This is why it is sad to me. It’s more sad because you have no charity for them. Try reading Saint Therese’s book. There were many people who treated her badly and did things that she thought was annoying, but she looked at those things as God’s way of telling her she was loved.

We aren’t living our faith to the fullest. Some might argue we aren’t living it but ‘stagnating’ in a man-made faith in which we’ve picked what we ‘think’ Christianity is and go ‘thus far, and no further’ into its practice.
 
Are you poor?

Better yet, did you miss the part of my post where I mention that people are doing the best they can with what “knowledge” they have.

You miss the point that these are people that love God. What are you talking about right or wrong? God is happy they are there. ** If it were up to you, you’d be at the front of the door stopping people from worship I suppose.** I’m glad it’s not up to you and most priests & the Pope have lived or worked in 3rd world countries or other areas of the country where they can see that not every person is of one mind and culture.
Yes, that’s EXACTLY what I would be doing. :rolleyes:
 
Thank you both! I actually bought a copy of the catechism during my RCIA course. Of course it’s buried in the garage now after marriage and a move. Perhaps I should go and get it out and read it!!!

Thinking back there have been a few times when my conscience has tugged at me about what I was wearing in church. We kneel and take communion on the tongue. Occassionally I have got to the altar rail and realised I have had a V-neck top on so I have to awkwardly place my hands in a prayer position over the V so that Father doesn’t get exposed to something he’d very much rather not have to see. Now I know why my conscience was nagging at me, and I’ll be able to avoid getting into that situation again.

Thank you!

xxx
Wow !
You are able to kneel at an alter rail in your Parish?
That’s good.
I wish we had an altar rail kneeler at our parish.

Okay back to the subject.
Now that I look back on being at this past Sunday’s mass, I had a sleeveless dress on. It wasn’t a strapless dress, it had no sleeves. I think that may had been a little unappropriate. My full intention was to be ladylike though and wear a dress.
 
Again, you are missing the point, this isn’t about comfort, but you think it is and that is why you judge.<<Wait a minute, Veronica. WHO is doing the judging here? You are! You are ‘judging me’ in saying that “I” am judging a person. >> You take the time to look at a person in church, think of a reason they are dressed the way they are and pass judgment. << No, I do not. But God never told us that we should ‘never’ judge, but that we should strive for ‘right judgment’. Noting that a person is wearing ‘inappropriate’ clothing is an observation, not a judgment in the sense that YOU are using. I have not ‘condemned’ them, either to their face or in my heart, by simply noting that something may be immodest or inappropriate. >>Perhaps the clothes they have are the “best and most appropriate” in their mind. <<A person can be completely sincere, and completely WRONG. Their sincerity may be some excuse, but it is not ‘enough’ to magically turn the inappropriate wear ‘appropriate.’ The relative idea that “if they think it’s okay, it’s okay for them” is a disservice to all. >>Some day, they will be aghast at what they wore, but today they believe they are wearing the best and most appropriate to them. It is a knowledge that may come in time. <<Yes, it may come in time, but even here, you are making a 'judgment" that all who are wearing inappropriate clothing think it is ‘best’. And that is not the case. Many posters have stated that they know it is not the ‘best’ that they could wear, but that either ‘their best’ is too ‘uncomfortable’, or ‘distracting’, and in any case, they’ll wear what they like as 'adequate.>>

They may never know that what they wore offended you (my wish would be that they would never know) but believe me, most have no idea you are judging them and if they did, they’d stop going. <<Excuse me again. NOW you are attempting to cast me as the evil, judgmental witch who would be ‘responsible’ for people sto
pping going to church from the HORRORS of my so-called judgment. Now again, WHO is judging WHOM, Veronica? Who is ‘reading judgment’ onto another poster? How often must you be told that this is not about people ‘offending me’ ( am not the offended party, dear), but about God? Let’s try again:

In noticing that a person is wearing clothing inappropriate to worship, I am not ‘judging’ this person as ‘wrong’, as “lesser”, as “offensive to me”, etc. I simply note that the clothing is not appropriate. That is a fact. The person may have a reason that he wears this clothing. The reason may be that it is his only clothing, in which case not only is he ‘right’ in wearing it, as his only clothing, but we --the Church–should be the first to come to his aid so that he is not reduced to wearing only one poor set of clothes. If we ‘turn our eyes away’ and don’t bother to explore why he is dressed that way, then we aren’t helping him, and he will continue to be poor and needy.

The reason could be that he is ‘ignorant’ and in this case, knowledge (tactful and loving) is the key. That is why most of us propose that the priest issue ‘guidelines’ for attire and continual explanation and ‘enforcement’ for THESE people (who could easily manage ‘appropriate’ attire, not being poor), to help them to worship more appropriately, which is a good thing.


**Or finally, the reason could be that he just doesn’t want to make an effort. He knows–he just doesn’t care, because his own comfort or his own ‘will’ are more important even than the words of the priest on the subject. (Again, I am assuming that the person ‘knows’ the attire is inappropriate because the priest has made the effort to give the guidelines, and that the person is of means enough to easily afford appropriate clothing.) In this case, we have willful disobedience and dishonesty. . .a far cry from true inability (the poor) or ignorance (those who have never ‘heard’ or correctly understood why some clothing is appropriate and some is not). >>**This is why it is sad to me. It’s more sad because you have no charity for them. <<Excuse me. You talk of MY lack of charity yet apparently your accusation is supposed to be charity itself??? I am not judging your charity to nameless ‘others’ but I will certainly say that in this particular post and here especially, you are exhibiting a stunning lack of charity toward ME, my friend.>> Try reading Saint Therese’s book. There were many people who treated her badly and did things that she thought was annoying, but she looked at those things as God’s way of telling her she was loved. <<Excuse me, I have read “The Story of a Soul” which is a wonderful book. I certainly do not feel that I am acting in defiance of St. Therese’s teaching, but apparently you have judged that I have. . .>>
 
I think we need bigger ‘smiley’ emoticons.

The ones we have are apparently so small that people are missing them. 😃
 
Signing out now for a while–have to deliver my daughter’s bike to the shop (which means walk it down for 2 miles, LOL), and afterward crochet class is calling, and that means I’d better get a FEW rounds down. . .will see y’all later, God bless.
 
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Tantum_ergo:
Do you truly recommend pulling people aside and telling them they are dressed inappropriately and you think that is going to not leave them feeling injured. And don’t pull out some “some times you have to do things that make you feel uncomfortable”. We are talking about somebody wearing spaghetti straps to communion, not having an abortion or marrying somebody of the same sex. They are there to worship. It builds up God’s glory.

If you take away from that, you are tearing down God’s glory. It’s that simple.

The clothes you wear do nothing to tear down God’s glory. God does not see our clothes. He sees our souls. He does not give you brownie points because you dress up. And he would graft you out as easily as the Hebrews should you think you are somehow more necessary, more worthy, or more holy than any of the lowliest sinners that come to Him.

I’m not judging anybody, I’m speaking up for those who may not have a voice and letting you in on a little secret - they matter.
 
I’m new here and would like some (name removed by moderator)ut on an issue that’s been bothering me.Since when is it acceptable to wear strapless tops/dresses to Mass?Forgive this 50 year old lady but I was taught that modesty in dress is expected.Nowadays it seems like any old thing is OK at church.Would you dress like that to meet the President? Or the Pope? Then why look like a hoochie dancer to visit Our Lord???
Our former priest told us that scanty and low cut dresses amount to a near occasion of sin - for him! It’s not a fashion show. Modest, decent dress for the Lord, please.

It’s OK to dress like Mary Magdalen if you act like her…
And, it’s OK to dress like one of Christ’s torturers, if you’re going to act like him.

Christ’s peace.
 
It is interesting to me that we even have to talk about this. There was a time when people knew what to weat to church. It may not have been the latest fashion, but it was neat and clean and not provocative in any way. But I guess things have changed. If you could see what some people weat to apply for a job, you would get an eye full. Granted, I admit to being a senior citizen, but IMO we are pushing casual dress to the max and beyond. Leave a little something to the imagination.
 
Dear Veronica - ever since Adam and Eve sewed together fig leaves, folks have known what their sexuality does to the opposite sex. The “power” some gain by dressing provocatively is sometimes hard to give up if it is their only weapon.

Knowing whether or not one is dressed properly for anyplace, be it Mass, the shopping mall or the workplace, is pretty simple.

I don’t know why you are so defensive of what common sense tells folks is wrong, other than perhaps you need to defend yourself? I’ve heard many arguements in favor of God not caring what we wear, but if that were true, He never would’ve specified garments for His priests under the Old Testament. How we prepare to meet someone says a lot about how we feel about that person. And when that person is none other than God, shouldn’t we take a little extra care? Why do you take issue with those of us who do?

Peace,

Gail

P.S. You’d be surprised - when I was growing up, I wasn’t allowed near the Catholic Church by my parents. Once I did get the opportunity to go to a Mass on the sly and the Ushers were actually showing people the door who weren’t dressed right. It was at Queen of the Universe Parish in Levittown. I witnessed this bit of chivalry with my own eyes and was glad I was wearing a dress! I don’t think some folks would tolerate being corrected like that these days, but it is necessary.
 
How we prepare to meet someone says a lot about how we feel about that person.
Gail
And I agree.But what can we expect when kids go to school in their PJ’s…wear flip-flops to the White House…and yet spend their last dime at some trendy up-scale mall store whose catalog is x-rated?When I was young,and I don’t mean in the horse and buggy days,there were no “labels” to envy,except maybe the ones that said"wash N wear"
 
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