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zab
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I have already answered that in post # 10
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Gicutzu
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Note that from your quotes of Vatican policy it seems jeans and t-shirts are perfectly fine. You seem to have something against jeans and t-shirts, though. This is how I go to work, and I most often go to Mass after work - I see jeans (non-ripped/tight/low-rise) and t-shirts (with sleeves) as perfectly fine, and I absolutely hate suits/dress shirts/slacks, so there’s really no other option for me.
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ajecphotos
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Dress code is ok but Gods church is open for everyone. Not everyone can choose to look nice / right coming to church. If they came in rags do you think Our Lord would turn them away?
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cheezey
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I like the comment regarding “by example”, but the bottom line is, not everyone can dress just so, and reverance of the heart is important, not reverance of the dress.
Or pants. Or jeans. Or shorts. Or evening gowns. Or…
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zab
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People are sensitive, the poor and the rich. I’m sensitive. All of us, the poor included, should be open to hearing what is good and appropriate and true and not make excuses because of this or that. If would be terrible thing to turn anyone away for no good reason.
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Michael57
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My observation over time, with apologies in advance if this is too far off topic.
Scrubs were supposed to be an infection control measure, meaning that they were clothes to be used within a healthcare facility, and then left there for sanitizing. Not to be worn out in public. A means to keep dangerous bacteria or viruses inside the facility and not at large in the community.
I watched how, in the early 80’s, some people seemed to want to flaunt the idea that they were doctors/medical (and therefore more desirable?) in bars after the work day. They’d usually have their stethoscope draped around their necks too. Med school students mostly. Then the nurses started doing it too. Stethoscopes included. Then the others soon followed. For the Infection Control Nurses, it became a never ending battle. And they lost.
Soon as hospital administrators began looking at it as a high operating cost issue, they opted out. Also about the same time, it became popular for home health aids and community nurses to wear something easily cleaned, and professional in appearance, so the makers of scrubs expanded their market.
Of course, I am over simplifying the many pressures at work here, there were many TV programs and movies that showed hospital staff outside the hospitals in scrubs and even a show called “Scrubs”.
The original (Good) idea has been lost.
Scrubs were once a great idea, now they are a source of transmitting resistant bacteria, MRSAs, etc., out into the community.
Funny thing is this, I never saw a Judge out of the courthouse in their robes.
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zab
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Reverence of the heart is reflected in the way we dress. Many of us do most of our shopping at thrift stores and still are able to find things to dress appropriately for Mass. For example, we would not choose something to wear to church that has a low cleavage.
I like the comment regarding “by example”, but the bottom line is, not everyone can dress just so, and reverance of the heart is important, not reverance of the dress.
Or pants. Or jeans. Or shorts. Or evening gowns. Or…
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cheezey
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thank you!!!My observation over time, with apologies in advance if this is too far off topic.
Scrubs were supposed to be an infection control measure, meaning that they were clothes to be used within a healthcare facility, and then left there for sanitizing. Not to be worn out in public. A means to keep dangerous bacteria or viruses inside the facility and not at large in the community.
I watched how, in the early 80’s, some people seemed to want to flaunt the idea that they were doctors/medical (and therefore more desirable?) in bars after the work day. They’d usually have their stethoscope draped around their necks too. Med school students mostly. Then the nurses started doing it too. Stethoscopes included. Then the others soon followed. For the Infection Control Nurses, it became a never ending battle. And they lost.
Soon as hospital administrators began looking at it as a high operating cost issue, they opted out. Also about the same time, it became popular for home health aids and community nurses to wear something easily cleaned, and professional in appearance, so the makers of scrubs expanded their market.
Of course, I am over simplifying the many pressures at work here, there were many TV programs and movies that showed hospital staff outside the hospitals in scrubs and even a show called “Scrubs”.
The original (Good) idea has been lost.
Scrubs were once a great idea, now they are a source of transmitting resistant bacteria, MRSAs, etc., out into the community.
Funny thing is this, I never saw a Judge out of the courthouse in their robes.
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Gicutzu
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I don’t want to single out the US, but I don’t know if I’ve ever seen doctors/nurses in Europe walk around in scrubs and with stethoscopes around their necks outside of their working place.My observation over time, with apologies in advance if this is too far off topic.
Scrubs were supposed to be an infection control measure, meaning that they were clothes to be used within a healthcare facility, and then left there for sanitizing. Not to be worn out in public. A means to keep dangerous bacteria or viruses inside the facility and not at large in the community.
I watched how, in the early 80’s, some people seemed to want to flaunt the idea that they were doctors/medical (and therefore more desirable?) in bars after the work day. They’d usually have their stethoscope draped around their necks too. Med school students mostly. Then the nurses started doing it too. Stethoscopes included. Then the others soon followed. For the Infection Control Nurses, it became a never ending battle. And they lost.
Soon as hospital administrators began looking at it as a high operating cost issue, they opted out. Also about the same time, it became popular for home health aids and community nurses to wear something easily cleaned, and professional in appearance, so the makers of scrubs expanded their market.
Of course, I am over simplifying the many pressures at work here, there were many TV programs and movies that showed hospital staff outside the hospitals in scrubs and even a show called “Scrubs”.
The original (Good) idea has been lost.
Scrubs were once a great idea, now they are a source of transmitting resistant bacteria, MRSAs, etc., out into the community.
Funny thing is this, I never saw a Judge out of the courthouse in their robes.
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zab
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Thanks for the history. I will note that while on pilgrimage to the Holy Land with a former pastor, he found that a pair of scrubs (bottoms) came in very handy. He wore cargo shorts while we toured the sites but when we came to the churches, he pulled out the scrubs to cover his legs. They packed well and were easier to tote along than a pair of long pants.My observation over time, with apologies in advance if this is too far off topic.
Scrubs were supposed to be an infection control measure, meaning that they were clothes to be used within a healthcare facility, and then left there for sanitizing. Not to be worn out in public. A means to keep dangerous bacteria or viruses inside the facility and not at large in the community.
I watched how, in the early 80’s, some people seemed to want to flaunt the idea that they were doctors/medical (and therefore more desirable?) in bars after the work day. They’d usually have their stethoscope draped around their necks too. Med school students mostly. Then the nurses started doing it too. Stethoscopes included. Then the others soon followed. For the Infection Control Nurses, it became a never ending battle. And they lost.
Soon as hospital administrators began looking at it as a high operating cost issue, they opted out. Also about the same time, it became popular for home health aids and community nurses to wear something easily cleaned, and professional in appearance, so the makers of scrubs expanded their market.
Of course, I am over simplifying the many pressures at work here, there were many TV programs and movies that showed hospital staff outside the hospitals in scrubs and even a show called “Scrubs”.
The original (Good) idea has been lost.
Scrubs were once a great idea, now they are a source of transmitting resistant bacteria, MRSAs, etc., out into the community.
Funny thing is this, I never saw a Judge out of the courthouse in their robes.
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Neofight
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Because the Mass is a community celebration, I’m just happy they join us, regardless of what they look like!
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Becca3
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Here is my thread for those who are interested.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=803333
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=803333
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cheezey
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Reverance of the heart can be reflected in the way we dress. I agree. It is but one small way. Low on the list of priorities, one might say. I also agree we should not choose certain attire. That, for those who are able, should show their reverance by dress, though that is, again, only one small way to do so.
We are perhaps vehemently making sure that we cannot assume as to why people wear what they wear.
And, the woman, who a few weeks ago wore clothing with her breasts hanging out the sides was, in fact, flat out, not best attire. Maybe she didn’t care, maybe that was all she had, maybe she was repenting for the use of said attire; I can’t know, and so I will not assume. That’s all.
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Gicutzu
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I think the two threads could somehow be merged, since they are basically about the exact same thing.
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Canuck000
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THIS IS WAY OFF TOPIC, BUT I’M GOING TO REPLY:
I totally agree. I grew up in nursing in Canada in the 1970’s. We were NEVER to wear scrubs in or out of the hospital. Then in the 90’s I went to England to work. Same rules!! They supplied locker/change rooms in the hospitals for the purpose of changing.
Then I came to the USA in 1998. No lockers, no change rooms, and this is a VERY large teaching hospital I work in. We wore all sorts of colours of scrubs and shoes. It took me a long time to rid of the white, but I never got into patterns. I hated to see people wearing them in public.
What you need to realize is, that you don’t really know the circumstances of that person.
I have since been promoted to a desk/computer position of data collection. I do NOT touch or talk to patients any longer. So wearing my “day attire” to morning mass, brings in NOTHING and certainly doesn’t take it to the patients, since I don’t see patients.
If I had a change room in the hospital, I would think about changing there like in the old days. But those days are long gone. Now we simply have to use common sense. If you’ve been working in a clinical area for 12 hours, in and out of MRSA hospital rooms. Don’t take it to the public. Take it home and remove it immediately and wash it. Of course if the nurse is using proper contact isolation precautions all day, he/she need not worry about getting ANY of this on the scrubs.
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Aramis
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Vest Tops are a vest worn as a shirt or blouse, rather than over one.The intentions attributed to the Vatican Dress Code should be interpreted in ways not limited to literal readings of its document, but not in contradiction to the “letter” of its document.)
And also, does anyone know what “no vest tops” means?
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Michael57
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I would be heart-broken if I were to see this. The Lord instructed us to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. I would do my best to see that they are welcomed and helped.
Alas, there are those that say “I can’t go to Church for I have no clothes worthy of it”, or “I am too poor and embarrassed of it and I can’t go to Church”, and to them I would say, “Come and be welcome. Let us show you our love, and Christ’s Love.”
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cheezey
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Michael57
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I think this is unique to the US. I have also observed the same overseas.
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Canuck000
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So according to the above statement I will now have to stop attending Mass on my way to work in the morning? I guess this also eliminates me from attending the noon Mass during the day also?My observation over time, with apologies in advance if this is too far off topic.
Scrubs were supposed to be an infection control measure, meaning that they were clothes to be used within a healthcare facility, and then left there for sanitizing. Not to be worn out in public. A means to keep dangerous bacteria or viruses inside the facility and not at large in the community.
I watched how, in the early 80’s, some people seemed to want to flaunt the idea that they were doctors/medical (and therefore more desirable?) in bars after the work day. They’d usually have their stethoscope draped around their necks too. Med school students mostly. Then the nurses started doing it too. Stethoscopes included. Then the others soon followed. For the Infection Control Nurses, it became a never ending battle. And they lost.
Soon as hospital administrators began looking at it as a high operating cost issue, they opted out. Also about the same time, it became popular for home health aids and community nurses to wear something easily cleaned, and professional in appearance, so the makers of scrubs expanded their market.
Of course, I am over simplifying the many pressures at work here, there were many TV programs and movies that showed hospital staff outside the hospitals in scrubs and even a show called “Scrubs”.
The original (Good) idea has been lost.
Scrubs were once a great idea, now they are a source of transmitting resistant bacteria, MRSAs, etc., out into the community.
Funny thing is this, I never saw a Judge out of the courthouse in their robes.
I do wear a sweater or jacket over the scrubs, I don’t touch a patient all day, but apparently, you presume you know what I do at work as you state I’m carrying disease into or out of the hospital. Nurses, believe it or not are very well educated on disease control. I do believe we can make that call, and decide if we’ve been into something we may be carrying around with us.
I guess, I’m down to only attending Mass on Sunday now.
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