Proper name of the Church according to the bishop Cyril

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Mickey said:
Correction.** You** are twisting the meaning of the Church Fathers to spread your hate. How terrible. I am very sad for you. 😦
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Are you willing to defend the Orthodox Church or not? Circular logic won’t help, but the writings of the Church Fathers will.
 
Think I remember reading a poster on here that said the Catholic Church consists of x number of rites of which the Roman Rite was the largest.

The Eastern Catholic Churches are named for their particular Rites, right? The Malkite Chruch is in communion with the Pope of Rome and is thus Catholic but goes by the name Malkite after their rite. Isn’t that correct?

So is this thread just a wizzing contest?
 
Departed_Light said:
Think I remember reading a poster on here that said the Catholic Church consists of x number of rites of which the Roman Rite was the largest.

The Eastern Catholic Churches are named for their particular Rites, right? The Malkite Chruch is in communion with the Pope of Rome and is thus Catholic but goes by the name Malkite after their rite. Isn’t that correct?

So is this thread just a wizzing contest?
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Nope, it’s an argument about the identity of the Church of Christ. The Orthodox claim the Church is the Orthodox Catholic Church, and we Catholics claim the Church is th Catholic Church. I have shown, using the Church Fathers, by God’s grace, that the proper name or identity of the Church is Catholic Church. Some Orthodox are attempting to show me I’m wrong by pointing out the fact that the Orthodox Church has a similar name to the Catholic Church and that the Church Fathers’ writings all defend the Orthodox, and so I am giving them the chance to defend their belief about the Orthodox Church by showing me one Father who speaks of the Church as the “Orthodox Catholic Church”, that is, this being its proper name.
 
Eucharisted said:
Nope, it’s an argument about the identity of the Church of Christ. The Orthodox claim the Church is the Orthodox Catholic Church, and we Catholics claim the Church is th Catholic Church. I have shown, using the Church Fathers, by God’s grace, that the proper name or identity of the Church is Catholic Church. Some Orthodox are attempting to show me I’m wrong by pointing out the fact that the Orthodox Church has a similar name to the Catholic Church and that the Church Fathers’ writings all defend the Orthodox, and so I am giving them the chance to defend their belief about the Orthodox Church by showing me one Father who speaks of the Church as the “Orthodox Catholic Church”, that is, this being its proper name.
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Then you’ll need to show from the ECF where “The Roman Catholic Church” is named, which is the name of the communion you belong to. If you cannot produce that quote how can you expect your opponents to do otherwise?
 
Departed_Light said:
Then you’ll need to show from the ECF where “The Roman Catholic Church” is named, which is the name of the communion you belong to. If you cannot produce that quote how you can expect your opponents to do otherwise?
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The proper name of the Catholic Church is “Catholic Church”.

The term “Roman Catholic Church” is a misunderstanding of the Roman rite within the Catholic Church.

The Orthodox call themselves the Orthodox Catholic Church. We Catholics call ourselves the Catholic Church. Which name is the proper name of the true Church? Well, so far according to the early Fathers, it is the Catholic Church. No one has taken up the defense of the Orthodox Catholic Church in the writings of the Church Fathers.
 
Eucharisted said:
The Orthodox claim the Church is the Orthodox Catholic Church, and we Catholics claim the Church is th Catholic Church.
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Correction. The Orthodox faithful **know **that we are the Church established by Jesus Christ. The poster by the name “Eucharisted” has started a bogus debate based on hatred, of which none of his Latin/Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters are participating.
 
Mickey said:
Correction. The Orthodox faithful **know **that we are the Church established by Jesus Christ. The poster by the name “Eucharisted” has started a bogus debate based on hatred, of which none of his Latin/Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters are participating.
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Actually, Mary is helping me and you with her prayers 🙂

So, are you going to defend the Orthodox Church, or not?
 
I will come back later to this thread to see if anyone has made a defense. If you wish, you may PM me or e-mail me to let me know, or, if you wish to keep your defense private, you may PM or e-mail it to me. God bless!
 
Eucharisted said in part:
The term “Roman Catholic Church” is a misunderstanding of the Roman rite within the Catholic Church.
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Joint international commission for the theological dialogue between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church (from the Vatican) - > vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/ch_orthodox_docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20000719_baltimore_en.html

Common Declaration Of His Holiness Paul VI and His Grace Michael Ramsey, Archbishop Of Canterbury at the Monastery of St Paul on Thursday, 24 March 1966 (from the Vatican) - > vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/speeches/1966/documents/hf_p-vi_spe_19660324_anglicani-cattolici_en.html
At the conclusion of their meeting they give thanks to Almighty God who by the action of the Holy Spirit has in these latter years created a new atmosphere of Christian fellowship between the Roman Catholic Church and the Churches of the Anglican Communion.
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Letter of John Paul II to Bishop James R. Crumley, Jr President of the Lutheran Church in America From the Vatican, July 22, 1985. - > vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/letters/1985/documents/hf_jp-ii_let_19850926_james-crumley_en.html
It is always appropriate in our conversation to reflect on the Scriptures. For all Christians must be nurtured by the good news of salvation contained therein. Especially the Gospels, which have preserved for us the words of Christ, are dear to all of us and we desire with all our heart to be faithful to their spirit and their teaching. The Lutheran-Roman Catholic international dialogue has reminded us that the “unity of the Church can be a unity only in the truth of the Gospel”.
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Misunderstanding on the part of popes in using the term “Roman Catholic”?
 
Departed_Light said:
Misunderstanding on the part of popes in using the term “Roman Catholic”?
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Exactly. In addition, fifty percent of the signs I see will say, St __Roman Catholic Church.

You see how easy it is to play his little game? :rolleyes:
 
Grace & Peace!
Eucharisted said:
The name of the Church isn’t a brand but an identity. Identity is important. It ties in with truth. Those who seek the truth honestly will want to know which Church is the Catholic Church.
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You’re absolutely right–the name of the Church isn’t a brand but an identity. And that identity stems from the Holy Name and Person of Jesus. It is formed through a relationship with Christ, not a dictionary–that is, the Church is the Church because it is the Body of Christ. The Catholicity and Orthodoxy of the Church stem from this relationship, not the other way 'round.

Those who seek the truth honestly would, I am sure, appreciate honest apologetics, too. Not word games. Using your logic, it would be fair to say that Roman Catholics who say they are “Catholic” as opposed to simply “Christian” are in fact not Christian. That is, of course, absurd. Likewise, your argument is absurd.

No doubt a defense such as you have requested is unlikely to be forthcoming because the arguments you have presented and the conclusions you have drawn are both dishonest and fallacious. A counter argument is unnecessary, and would only serve to dignify your arguments, which arguments no honest inquirer would find particularly credible.

Your zeal for your Church is commendable and admirable. But surely you can find a better way of expressing it than claiming that you can pin the truth of Roman Catholicism on a disingenuous and dishonest argument involving semantics–you are doing the Roman church no favors when you articulate this argument.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is grace and mercy! Deo gratias!
 
The Orthordox can call their church by any name they want to. After all it is their church and it would be wrong for anyone to dictate to them (or any other church) as to the name of their own church.
 
Deo_Volente said:
Grace & Peace!

You’re absolutely right–the name of the Church isn’t a brand but an identity.
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But in this case we are not meant to debate the facts, but his misconception of facts.

I’ve shown our name include the word 'Catholic", while I challenged him to prove the same word is included in the name of his church. He simply ignored that and preferred his misconception.
 
Another (what seems to me to be a) fruitless thread. First it was “who was first?” Now, it’s “the name of my Church proves we’re the true Church.”

Blessings
 
Mickey said:
Exactly. In addition, fifty percent of the signs I see will say, St __Roman Catholic Church.

You see how easy it is to play his little game? :rolleyes:
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Well they would, since the vast majority of parishes are part of the Roman Catholic Church, and not the Eastern Catholic Churches. Other parishes say St.____ Ukrainian Catholic Church or St. _____ Melkite Catholic Church, etc.

This thread is pointless, sorry Eucharisted. Remember, we have much more in common with the Orthodox than with Protestants.
 
mardukm said:
Another (what seems to me to be a) fruitless thread. First it was “who was first?” Now, it’s “the name of my Church proves we’re the true Church.”

Blessings
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We are battling each other when the evil one slips by. We can only pray for Christian unity, and it will begin with the Catholic and Orthodox re-uniting. Please, God!
 
Eucharisted said:
“If you should be in foreign cities, do not simply ask where is the church, but where is the Catholic Church, for this is the proper name of this holy Mother of all.”
– Cyril, Bishop of Jerusalem, c. 347 AD
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Hi i am jumping in late and this may have been asked, in the letter does he say Catholic or catholic?
 
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