Prophesey and speaking in tounges

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Righteousone said:
Just turn on any Protestant channel on television and see them jumping all over the place, clapping and ranting about how you can be saved. That’s how I know. I have never ever seen Protestants in quiet holiness praying on their knees. It’s always been like an assembly or something. Like an auditorium.
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Go to any Anglican or Lutheran church. Go to a Mennonite church. Go to a Methodist church and they won’t be kneeling, but they will be praying in “quiet holiness.” I attend a Foursquare church (pentecostal/charismatic) and I have seen people praying in “quiet holiness” though not necessarily on their knees. Television, televangelists, etc. are not accurate representations of all Protestant denominations/practices, nor should they be taken to be that!

As for “gifts of the Spirit” and such: there is no question that sometimes such gifts are truly present, and amazing things happening. There is also no question that some people simply fake it beautifully. As other posters have said, pray for discernment!
 
heisenburg said:
One needs to be careful when generalizing…

Simply because one AoG group claims it is required, does not mean all strains of AoG claim it as required for salvation.

Likewise, there are some evangelicals that claim if you don’t believe in PreTrib Rapture, pre-millennialism, you can’t be a Christian. Other Evangelicals point at these people and laugh…

**Burg:

You are wrong on both of the accounts above again. Please get your facts straight before telling us what we believe.**
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Actually I was defending you guys from blanket statement…

If you read what i said… I said SOME teach it, others don’t, and that you can’t generalize because some here and there teach something as “Required”. Sometimes those onesies twosies churches aren’t even in agreement with the over all denomination…

I’m curious how you can say my statement is false a I was basically saying for other NOT to tell you guys what you believe.

In Christ
 
heisenburg said:
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Actually I was defending you guys from blanket statement…

If you read what i said… I said SOME teach it, others don’t, and that you can’t generalize because some here and there teach something as “Required”. Sometimes those onesies twosies churches aren’t even in agreement with the over all denomination…

I’m curious how you can say my statement is false a I was basically saying for other NOT to tell you guys what you believe.

In Christ
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Sorry if I misread you but there is NO AOG that say’s you have to speak in tongues to be saved.
 
Huguenot said:
This type of manifestations also exists among Catholics, at least in France, I don’t know in the USA : they belong to Catholic charismatic movements that are recognized by the Vatican …
so why does it bother you when it’s “Pentecostal” ( charismatic Protestants we could say ) and not when it’s Catholic ? I don’t see any difference ( I don’t belong to this trend )
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I don’t know. You know when you have a gut feeling that something is wrong but cannot put your finger on it? You feel like bolting out the door and it was only during the part where people spoke in tongues. I don’t know if it was because I was just not used to it. I went back once more to see if I had the same gut feeling and no. I was fine the second time.
 
Cs6153 said:
I don’t know. You know when you have a gut feeling that something is wrong but cannot put your finger on it? You feel like bolting out the door and it was only during the part where people spoke in tongues. I don’t know if it was because I was just not used to it. I went back once more to see if I had the same gut feeling and no. I was fine the second time.
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The gut is flesh. My first Mass wasn’t good on my gut either but refreshing to the spirit. It never feels good to not understand.
 
Righteousone said:
Just turn on any Protestant channel on television and see them jumping all over the place, clapping and ranting about how you can be saved. That’s how I know. I have never ever seen Protestants in quiet holiness praying on their knees. It’s always been like an assembly or something. Like an auditorium.
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Perhaps TV isn’t the best example. I watch so called christian TV for comedy for the most part.
St. Paul was clear on the gifts of the Spirit and the purpose of those gifts: The edification of the Church. Would you ask the priest to silently say the Mass?
This is for edification and prayer not for worship in the sense of catholic worship. But as all using the gifts are often labeled along with Benny Hinn and other money grubbers, the outsider is more than apt to assume it’s that way. It can indeed be done with reverence and without the wildness. But far too often your analogy is correct. Floppin’ like fish outta water. St. Paul spoke against acting in such a manner as the newcomer would think an epidemic of craziness had come upon them.
 
For Questions about the apparitions jn Cincinnati OH
refer to this site olhsc.org/contact.html

Fr. Joseph A. Bruemmer, President
Our Lady of the Holy Spirit Center
5440 Moeller Avenue
Norwood, Ohio 45212
phone (513) 351-9800
fax (513) 351-9885

To speak with someone at the Center, please call between
Monday and Friday, 9 a.m. to 3 p.m.

For information, comments, or requests by email: info@olhsc.org

Also an interesting thing: the location was a Seminary for Priests
The Holy Mother chose a Seminary…
Thanks for the interest.
A lot of activity in the area.

Nancy
 
Here is another good Marian Apparition group in Emmitsburg, Maryland

Notice the Holy Mother chose Maryland; she states it was named after her…Also Emmitsburg is the location of another Catholic Seminary.(it is stated the best Priests come from this Seminary)…and several parishes after Mary and Joseph

centeroftheimmaculateheart.org/messages/messages_current_temp.asp

Mother Mary is talking to this group once a month…The group has videos posted
 
There are Mother Mary Apparition groups all over the world…I am sure there is a group near someone…

Caritas,AL
China, Indiana
Santa fe, NM
San Diego,CA
Scottsdale,AZ
Las Vegas,NV
Necedah, Wisconsin
San Antonio,Texas
2 locations in Florida

Garbandal, Ontario, Can
New Brunswick, Canada
Phillipines
Australia
Brazil
Knock,Ireland
England
Chile

Medjujorge has a very large gathering…one of the 6 visionaries lives in Italy…another commutes to Boston, MA
They go to the group in Caritas, AL

Zeitoun,Egypt had a large gathering it was even televised…but the government started charging to see her and she quit appearing…Holy Mother will not be capilitized on

Damascus
Sr Anna Hadija Ali in Kenya,Africa
Mexico milagro en la basilica de guadalupe
Agreda Spain

Fatima and Lourdes

This names a few of the locations I know about…The holy Mother heals and listens and communicates to all…Her son is usually nearby
 
I have been to a number of pentacostal/charismatic type meetings. There always seemed to come a time when everyone was praying out loud at the same time in tongues, at many of these meetings. Sometimes it happened repeatedly everytime someone called for prayer for this thing or that. There is no doubt that no one knew what was being said by anyone. Whatever they all were saying all at once meant nothing to anyone present, but they all seemed to enjoy doing this. No one there did or could interpret any of it, raising the question of Paul’s admonition. Assuming a person did supernaturally receive a gift and uttered something he did not understand in Greek or Chinese to another person who did not understand what he heard, how does that edifiy anyone? Multiply that by fifty or a hundred people all doing it simultaneously. It seems to me that this more reflects what happened at the Tower of Babel where the people’s languages got confused and they could not understand one another as a punishment. When I heard people at these meetings burst into tongues that is what I thought. These folks are babelling. When I asked some of them about no one understanding what was being said, I was told that God understands and they were praying to God. So they were praying things to God that they had no idea what they were, but God did. I thought God surely understands English so why not tell him what you want to say so you know what you are saying to him and everyone around you can understand as well? When I asked them about Paul forbidding tongues in an assembly unless there was an interpretation they simply dismissed it. At these same meetings there were individuals and ministers who claimed that God gave them prophesies to tell the people. Most of it was nothing new, nothing that we would not hear repeated in scripture, but some of it was pretty specific regarding things God was going to do and instructions as to what the people were to do to prepare. None of it ever happened. It was all clearly bogus. This did not seem to phase anyone. They all persisted in the same behavior. I had a dear friend who had a bad stroke. His pentacostal friends came to visit and prayed over him in tongues and claimed miracles and healing for him and prophesied he would get well. He died eventually, after several years of slow painful decline. There are most definitely miracles. I have seen them. But the people who came to his room and made a big noisy racket reminded me of the priests of baal, and they got the same results. These folks were also virulently anti-Catholic. What I do not understand is that if they claim God told them my friend would be restored to health and his family, and instead he died, why do they keep doing this? If God said my friend would be restored to health it would have happened. These people are phonies and carrying it all on in the name of God and they have no hesitation about it. My dad had a friend at work who was a diabetic. He was told he was healed at a Pentacostal meeting and no longer needed insulin. A few days later he was found dead. This does not even phase these people. They keep at it and blamed the poor man for not having enough faith. They may have good intentions, but they are truly deceived in their religious beliefs.
 
Cs6153 said:
I don’t know. You know when you have a gut feeling that something is wrong but cannot put your finger on it? You feel like bolting out the door and it was only during the part where people spoke in tongues. I don’t know if it was because I was just not used to it. I went back once more to see if I had the same gut feeling and no. I was fine the second time.
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I’ve been to Pentecostal services too and I usually feel fine although they are a bit “noisier” than where I usually go to, but I think I wouldn’t feel fine in groups where people fall to the ground, giggle or even bark and so on, you know, the “Toronto blessing” type of things … French Pentecostals don’t agree with this either ( at least the members of the groupe called “Assemblies of God” … )
 
The difference I have witnessed between AOG and Catholic Marian gatherings is that Pentecostal sing more(light Rock)…The AOG and Catholics were always very orderly…

Holy Mother sometimes causes the wind to blow and lightening…she tends to demonstrate depending on the type of crowd.

Either way the experience is tremendously enlightening.
 
grandfather said:
I have been to a number of pentacostal/charismatic type meetings. There always seemed to come a time when everyone was praying out loud at the same time in tongues, at many of these meetings. Sometimes it happened repeatedly everytime someone called for prayer for this thing or that. There is no doubt that no one knew what was being said by anyone. Whatever they all were saying all at once meant nothing to anyone present, but they all seemed to enjoy doing this. No one there did or could interpret any of it, raising the question of Paul’s admonition. Assuming a person did supernaturally receive a gift and uttered something he did not understand in Greek or Chinese to another person who did not understand what he heard, how does that edifiy anyone? Multiply that by fifty or a hundred people all doing it simultaneously. It seems to me that this more reflects what happened at the Tower of Babel where the people’s languages got confused and they could not understand one another as a punishment. When I heard people at these meetings burst into tongues that is what I thought. These folks are babelling. When I asked some of them about no one understanding what was being said, I was told that God understands and they were praying to God. So they were praying things to God that they had no idea what they were, but God did. I thought God surely understands English so why not tell him what you want to say so you know what you are saying to him and everyone around you can understand as well? When I asked them about Paul forbidding tongues in an assembly unless there was an interpretation they simply dismissed it. At these same meetings there were individuals and ministers who claimed that God gave them prophesies to tell the people. Most of it was nothing new, nothing that we would not hear repeated in scripture, but some of it was pretty specific regarding things God was going to do and instructions as to what the people were to do to prepare. None of it ever happened. It was all clearly bogus. This did not seem to phase anyone. They all persisted in the same behavior. I had a dear friend who had a bad stroke. His pentacostal friends came to visit and prayed over him in tongues and claimed miracles and healing for him and prophesied he would get well. He died eventually, after several years of slow painful decline. There are most definitely miracles. I have seen them. But the people who came to his room and made a big noisy racket reminded me of the priests of baal, and they got the same results. These folks were also virulently anti-Catholic. What I do not understand is that if they claim God told them my friend would be restored to health and his family, and instead he died, why do they keep doing this? If God said my friend would be restored to health it would have happened. These people are phonies and carrying it all on in the name of God and they have no hesitation about it. My dad had a friend at work who was a diabetic. He was told he was healed at a Pentacostal meeting and no longer needed insulin. A few days later he was found dead. This does not even phase these people. They keep at it and blamed the poor man for not having enough faith. They may have good intentions, but they are truly deceived in their religious beliefs.
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Being involved with Catholic Charismatics for eight years and even teaching in St. Monica’s parish in E. Peoria, Ill. I have been in Catholic meetings that do the same thing as you describe above
 
The Bible states you can tell them by their works…If they are not doing that which you feel right about; move on. God will guide you to that which is right…

You have to stay focused on what you believe to be the right thing…There is Truth out there, but you have to look for it. You will find it…:
 
Nancy47 said:
Nancy
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Hi

I appreciate your experience of seeing apparitions of Jesus and Mary. I have noted that whenever somebody gives a picture of her it is some sort of foggy one, it does not provide her features with clarity or good definition. Would you please elaborate in this connection.

Thanks
 
The Mary I saw is very similar to the one seen by the 6 visionaries at Medjugorje, the visionary near Cincinnati, and Gianna Sullivan near Emmitsburg Md

She is a tall lady with dark brown hair, dark eyes(I didn’t see them real clear, the light is so bright you can’t distinguish eye color) she wore all white but had a blue sash and a crown of stars. She is light complected. Jesus is light complected with blue eyes and dark brown hair(it has a red tinge to it in the light)…He is tall and muscular.

I have been told that Nazarene means blue eyed. Nazar is what they called the blue-eyed people of that period. Since they were different from the other people of the area. Also they were tall people and the local people were shorter…Very obvious…

Also I have read the Vatican has a written decription of them…

I saw them long before I read their description by others;Tim and I saw them around 1977…The internet is just now coming out with the others, and their description…We our now discussing it…
 
grandfather said:
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There always seemed to come a time when everyone was praying out loud at the same time in tongues, at many of these meetings. Sometimes it happened repeatedly everytime someone called for prayer for this thing or that. There is no doubt that no one knew what was being said by anyone. Whatever they all were saying all at once meant nothing to anyone present, but they all seemed to enjoy doing this. No one there did or could interpret any of it, raising the question of Paul’s admonition. Assuming a person did supernaturally receive a gift and uttered something he did not understand in Greek or Chinese to another person who did not understand what he heard, how does that edifiy anyone?
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Praying and speaking in tongue are two different gifts. Praying in tongue is what Paul says in Rom 8:26. We do not know how to pray and the Holy Spirit helps us in groan, words that we cannot understand.

Speaking in tongue is something akin to the day of Pentecost - one spoke in a language he could not understand, but others (one or two) could understand him. This is tongue and interpretation of tongue as in 1Cor 12.

Charismatic gifts are biblical. They were exercised by early Christians to build the church. There is no reason that these gifts are not available today for those whom God has chosen to give.

Problem is they (the gifts) can be abused, for personal glory and there are false gifts too. Charismatic Catholics do experience these phenomena (the endowment of charismatic gifts). Always judge them by the fruits they bring. Paul also said do not simply despise them without discerning them first.
grandfather said:
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When I asked some of them about no one understanding what was being said, I was told that God understands and they were praying to God. So they were praying things to God that they had no idea what they were, but God did. I thought God surely understands English so why not tell him what you want to say so you know what you are saying to him and everyone around you can understand as well?

When I asked them about Paul forbidding tongues in an assembly unless there was an interpretation they simply dismissed it. At these same meetings there were individuals and ministers who claimed that God gave them prophesies to tell the people.

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At these same meetings there were individuals and ministers who claimed that God gave them prophesies to tell the people.
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We do not necessary need people to understand personal prayer. Isn’t prayers and intentions come from the hearts and that Gods understand them? Praying in tongue where people cannot understand it does not conflict with the basic principle of prayers. In any case, nobody is forced to pray in tongue. It’s for those who find it a helpful gift and helps them in praying.

Prophecy is another gift. There are ways to discern prophecies by mature Christians - whether they are from the Holy Spirt or from the human mind or from Satan himself. Yet again when used properly this is very important gift given for the edification and encouragement of the church (Christians).

I say, look out for the fruit of these gifts; what they do to the person concerned and the community. Do not throw away what is good but discard what is not from God. 🙂

Peace.
 
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