Prophesey and speaking in tounges

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Nancy47 said:
I have been told that Nazarene means blue eyed.
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Hi

Kindly quote for the source that Nazarene means blue eyed.
I don’t think so.
I quote from en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazarene

Etymology
Greek Ναζαρηνός (Nazarēnos), an ethnonym of Ναζαρέθ (Nazareth). For a list of theories as to the further etymology of this word, please consult the Wikipedia article on ‘Nazarene’.

[edit] Adjective
Nazarene

Of or pertaining to Nazareth or its people.
Of or relating to the Church of the Nazarene.
Holiness Today is a Nazarene magazine.

[edit] Proper noun
Nazarene

A person from Nazareth.
(κατ’ ἐξωχήν) Jesus Christ. Usually with ‘the’.
Members of the Church of the Nazarene.
I have been a Nazarene for several years, I joined the church in 1946.

[edit] Translations
Greek, Ancient: Ναζαρηνός, Ναζωραῖος

[edit] See also
Nazareth
Nazuraiun
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazarene

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grandfather said:
My dad had a friend at work who was a diabetic. He was told he was healed at a Pentacostal meeting and no longer needed insulin. A few days later he was found dead. This does not even phase these people. They keep at it and blamed the poor man for not having enough faith. They may have good intentions, but they are truly deceived in their religious beliefs.
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This is good example of false gift or lack of understanding of the gift of healing. Again watch out for the fruit. Did it edify the man; did it give him peace? There are people who would say nasty things like “you don’t pray enough that’s why you’re sick” or in the case above, “you do not have enough faith …”. Sometimes sincere prayer and words of comfort would be just as good for a person who needs them most, instead of totally dependent on the gifts.
 
Reuben_J said:
This is good example of false gift or lack of understanding of the gift of healing. Again watch out for the fruit. Did it edify the man; did it give him peace? There are people who would say nasty things like “you don’t pray enough that’s why you’re sick” or in the case above, “you do not have enough faith …”. Sometimes sincere prayer and words of comfort would be just as good for a person who needs them most, instead of totally dependent on the gifts.
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Hi

I agree with you.

It is very unfortunate that many people take blind-faith or superstition as a true faith, whereas a believer have to discern untruth from the truth. True belief is with sound, rational, and reasonable arguments, one must know, in my opinion.

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Nazar

Nazar (amulet)
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A nazar or evil eye stone (Turkish: nazar boncuğu) is an amulet from ancient mythology that protects against the evil eye.

It consists of concentric circles (from inside out: dark blue, light blue (or yellow), white, dark blue). Therefore it is sometimes called “Blue Eye”.

"In a shortened version we will try to explain. Once upon a time (yes, it starts like in a fairy tale) there was a rock by the sea that, even with the force of a hundred men and a lot of dynamite, couldn’t be moved or cracked. There was also a man in this town by the sea, who was known to carry the evil eye (Nazar). After much effort and endeavor, the town people brought the man to the rock, and the man, upon looking at the rock said, “My! What a big rock this is.” The instant he said this, there was a rip and roar and crack and instantly the immense and impossible rock was found to be cracked in two.

The force of the evil eye (or Nazar) is a widely accepted and feared random element in Turkish daily life. The word Nazar denotes seeing or looking and is often used in literally translated phrases such as “Nazar touched her,” in reference to a young woman, for example, who mysteriously goes blind.
 
Just one comment:

There are no Assemblies of God that believe you have to speak in tongues to be saved. If there were an Assemblies of God pastor that somehow were to proclaim this, he would not be Assemblies of God for very long.

There are Pentecostal denominations that do believe you have to speak in tongues to be saved. Assemblies of God is not one of them. Perhaps that is where the confusion lies.

Assemblies of God does believe that speaking in tongues is beneficial. It no way believes that it is required for salvation.

Other than this, carry on.
 
It is also possible that Apostle John Zebedee had blue eyes his mother Mary Salome was sister to Mother Mary, and Apostle John preached in Turkey

nazarboncugu.com/

The Reflections of an Ancient Anatolian Belief on Glass : Nazar Boncugu
Throughout the whole human history, in every culture and religion, the eye figure has been considered as a powerful talisman to defy evil forces. Blue evil eye beads of Turkey - Nazar Boncugu say " Mash allah " - " God has willed it ".
 
When the Holy Mother appears to the people of other countries She appears as they are in that country per my research. She chooses her appearance to suit the need.

She states “It is still ME” There are records of these appearances

I have read records of Jesus and the 12 appearing among Indians in North America and South America but, he is described as tall, dark brown hair with an auburn tint, and blue eyed. Maybe he wanted to stand out among the rest, so he would be remembered, spoke and written about… His words and deeds would not be forgotten.
 
Nancy47 said:
It is also possible that Apostle John Zebedee had blue eyes his mother Mary Salome was sister to Mother Mary, and Apostle John preached in Turkey.
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Hi

Thanks for your response.

Please provide references that “Apostle John Zebedee had blue eyes his mother Mary Salome was sister to Mother Mary, and Apostle John preached in Turkey” all had blue eyes.

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Above everything else I honestly believe Jesus appeared the same to everyone because he wants Unity, and Not division over what He looks like…

I have found no differnece in the appearance of Jesus, even to Sr Anna in Kenya who took 2 photographs of him by the permission of Jesus…These photographs were presented before the Vatican, and are on the Internet…
 
I will work on Apostle John Zebedee having blue eyes…that is my own feeling because…Apostle John Zebedee taught the Bogomils, who went to southern France and became Cathars, there is description the people came into southern France with Blue eyes, and were followers of Apostle John and Apostle John came to visit in that area, and brought his disciples there…This is teachings among Cathars

I am working on DNA and genealogy in southern France. Part of my research.

I will let you know if I find it.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

I agree with you.

It is very unfortunate that many people take blind-faith or superstition as a true faith, whereas a believer have to discern untruth from the truth. True belief is with sound, rational, and reasonable arguments, one must know, in my opinion.

Thanks
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With due respect, I think you misunderstand. I am talking about the charismatic gift of healing. This is one of the supernatural gift of God (Holy Spirit) given to certain individual Christians. The effect of this gift when exercised by genuine gifted Christian results in supernatural healing of a person being prayed over.

Thus the overall effect to believers would be one of edification, knowing that God is alive and present and compassionate. This increase the faith (belief) of not only the person being healed but also the entire community who witnessed to the healing.

This gift has its Biblical foundation and there were genuine occurances. Now, quite often this can be abused too, the example being presented earlier on. Thus instead of giving the desired edification effect, the process cause more resentment and unhappiness.

Hope that helps.
 
Nancy47 said:
Above everything else I honestly believe Jesus appeared the same to everyone because he wants Unity, and Not division over what He looks like.
I have found no differnece in the appearance of Jesus, even to Sr Anna in Kenya who took 2 photographs of him by the permission of Jesus…These photographs were presented before the Vatican, and are on the Internet..
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Hi

I appreciate your search for truth.
Could you please copy/paste the “photographs ( of Jesus which you say ) were presented before the Vatican, and are on the Internet”. Everybody would be interested in seeing them.

Has anybody elso taken photograph of Mary, of course with her permission, please. Just a thought

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Reuben_J said:
This is good example of false gift or lack of understanding of the gift of healing. Again watch out for the fruit. Did it edify the man; did it give him peace? There are people who would say nasty things like “you don’t pray enough that’s why you’re sick” or in the case above, “you do not have enough faith …”. Sometimes sincere prayer and words of comfort would be just as good for a person who needs them most, instead of totally dependent on the gifts.
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I can’t believe what I am reading. What are you thinking? The man is dead. He left a wife and children. He is dead and his kids were orphaned, because he listened to a pack of fools who lied to him and told him he was healed of diabetes. There was no miracle. It was a a lie, insanity, The fruit you want to discern is a corpse and widow with orphans and a phony bunch of nuts claiming God told them he was healed or that God healed him.

The pentacostal/charismatic response to this kind of thing is that there are some people out there making irresponsible claims, but that is ok, because most are sincere. The dead man was sincere also and so were the people who prayed over him and told him he was healed.
 
grandfather said:
I can’t believe what I am reading. What are you thinking? The man is dead. He left a wife and children. He is dead and his kids were orphaned, because he listened to a pack of fools who lied to him and told him he was healed of diabetes. There was no miracle. It was a a lie, insanity, The fruit you want to discern is a corpse and widow with orphans and a phony bunch of nuts claiming God told them he was healed or that God healed him.

The pentacostal/charismatic response to this kind of thing is that there are some people out there making irresponsible claims, but that is ok, because most are sincere. The dead man was sincere also and so were the people who prayed over him and told him he was healed.
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So if a Catholic goes off on their own and makes some nutty claim that leads to someones death then all Catholicism should be abandoned?

YES the people in the example were REALLY REALLY WRONG. that doesn’t mean everyone who claims the same religious affiliation is wrong too. Just because they CLAIMED to be something doesn’t make them one. Cafeteria Catholics are not examples of Catholicism just because they say they are Catholic, Mormons are not Christians just because they say they are, People "healing"in the name of God and having their “healed” people dead are obviously NOT healing in the name of God. You cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Syele said:
So if a Catholic goes off on their own and makes some nutty claim that leads to someones death then all Catholicism should be abandoned?
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No of course not. It happens all the time. The people making the nutty claims should be brought under control and the rest of Catholicism should be warned of the danger. My experience with the self annointed “spirit filled” Catholics, who claim to be led by the spirit, implying others are not, is they are a lot of fizzle, big hat no cattle, frenzied, half cocked people making many claims with little substance, or fruit. I did not say no fruit. Most of it is fluff, manufactured emotion and sometimes the fruit is tragic. I have seen it personally how these misguided souls do damage. Another friend was diabetic and his church told him he would be healed if he had faith. They prayed over him with lots of tonques and laid hands on him and told him he was healed and all he needed to do was believe he was healed. He went home and got sick and refused to take insulin, because if he did that would be a sign he had no faith. As he was ready to slip into a coma the nitwits who told him he was healed came to his home, called by the wife and told him to take insulin, that no miracle happened. He had six children, five still at home and almost died. These people are nutcases. What does it take to figure this out? It is crazy and the stakes are life and death and in the case of making false prophecies or claims on behalf of God, hell. This is not an isolated instance. I have personally seen this type of thing more than once. I believe in miracles. I think they happen every day somewhere. They are not manufactured by a caterwalling bunch raising a racket, constantly prophesying things that almost never happen, claiming things by faith, seeking spiritual thrills. Seek the Giver of gifts not the gifts. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and ALL of these things will be added unto you. Stop seeking the things. Seek God and get the things (gifts) as a bonus.
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On 15 February 1994, Kenyan nun Sister Anna Hadija Ali, held a press conference in Rome and spoke about her experience of meetings every Thursday since 1987 with Jesus Christ. Two photographs she had taken of Jesus in 1987 and 1988 were displayed at the conference
 
grandfather said:
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Seek God and get the things (gifts) as a bonus.
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Your first point is right. Your second point is wrong.

We always seek God first and above everything else.

A charismatic gift is not a bonus. It is a gift of the Holy Spirit given as God pleases. It comes with responsibility. When the apostle Peter got the gift of healing (people were healed even when his shadow passed them), he had to live it out and served the people. It is for the upbuilding of the church. It is a supernatural talent. The more gifts you’re given the more is expected of you. The gift should never be for personal glory or for Benny Hinn phenomenum. Refer the parable of the talent.

Like I said, do not despise the gift. Take what is good and discard what is not from God.

Discernment is a gift too. One who has it can discern whether the prophecy comes from the Holy Spirit, or from the human spirit or from Satan. Not everybdoy has the gift of discernment. That’s why prophecy must be discerned before it can be proclaimed. You need other mature Christians to work together with you. These things are Biblical. See 1 Cor 12. Unless you tell me they are not Biblical, you cannot simply just brush it like that. But if you feel they are not Biblical, please offer suggestion why.

Look like you had bad experience with people associated with this kind of thing but it does not mean that the word of God is wrong. You really need to explore it more because there is much more than just being bogus. We are not interested in things bogus but true word of God. And remember you are not forced to believe in anything you don’t want to. But to dismiss things that have solid Biblical foundation would make you look very ignorant.

I responded to your earlier post just to give brief insight to this subject. Please ignore them if you don’t like what I said.

Why the gifts were not prevalence after the early Christians? The answer is because people do not believe. After the first Christians experience there seemed to be dearth of charismatic gifts. Until St Augustine, who was a Bishop then discovered it. A sick lady came to him and asked him to prayed over her. Being Bishop he was obliged and prayed over her and to his surprised she got well. He realized then that the charismatic gifts were for all times, not just after Pentecost to start the church. The church needs the gifts for its growth.

But don’t take my word for this. Whatever that makes you become good Christian is good for you. Gift is secondary but growing in holiness is of foremeost importance. If you already achieved that, then that is all to it. For others though, sometimes they are helped by ministry and by empowerment of the Holy Spirit to encourage them to be more loving, love God, love prayer, love the Word and love people.

Peace to you and may Jesus bless.

Reuben.
 
Nancy47 said:
On 15 February 1994, Kenyan nun Sister Anna Hadija Ali, held a press conference in Rome and spoke about her experience of meetings every Thursday since 1987 with Jesus Christ. Two photographs she had taken of Jesus in 1987 and 1988 were displayed at the conference
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Hi

Thank you Nancy for sending me the photographs of Jesus and Mary. Photo of Jesus is very clear but in black and white. Photos of Mary are coloured but not with clear definition. Next time if you happen to see them, please picture them clearly.

Please send these pictures in this thread as an attachment also so that others could also view them.

Thanks
 
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