Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in other scriptures

[Charlotte2008]

**Planten - I think you are the one having a crisis of faith and that is why your mood keeps changing on here. Let Jesus into your heart and be happy. The truth will set you free.

Say this prayer and you can be saved:

“Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.”

The Lords Prayer is wonderful too:-

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen

Peace be with you.
**

 

[chrisse]

**ralph, you may become a hindu or budhist or any other category. Just be patient and peaceful and keep reading the scripture of the faith you hold (It may be your own faith i.e. the Catholic church), there is no harm.

As you will study your scripture carefully, you will be informed about many realities and many fantacies. You will be better off in the end. You will be rewarded.

But if you feel that Hindu religion is not good or it is not good for you then do not become a Hindu. You can always become a Jew any time.**

planten, there are times when you make me giggle, in a nice way.

 

[swariffin]

Now textbooks are claiming that Islam was in the Americas before Columbus! According to one textbook, when Columbus came to Cuba he found a mosque there! :whacky:

Vickie

In that case, how come Cuba still has pigs.

 

[planten]

We use OUR OWN scriptures to defend the Trinity. I see you using other people’s to prove your point. I ask: are the other writings inspired by God? If so, can I safely become Buddhist or Hindu without fear of damnation? If they are only inspired when proving your point, the argument is invalid. All or none when it comes to Sacred Scriptures

**Our scripture, the Quran, makes statements and supports them with reasonable logic. It makes a declaration and gives its proof (reasons) too. Bible does not do any of those things.

WE do not need any one’s support. But if the others (non-muslims) are telling something, it could be very useful. That is, because the witness of non-partisans carries much weight. We do not waste or lose any useful thing of the truth. WE welcome it.

What harm is there. We respect those who are unbiased people. **

 

[hamba2han]

The Fourth Gospel, like every other book of the New Testament, was written in Greek and not in Aramaic, which was the mother-tongue of Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples.

What word or name was it that Jesus (pbuh) used in his native tongue to express that which the Fourth Gospel has translated as “the Paraclete” and which has been converted into “comforter” in all the versions of that Gospel?

The “Paraclete” does not signify either “consoler” or “advocate” or "comforter’; in truth, it is not a classical word at all. The Greek orthography of the word is Paraklytos which in ecclesiastical literature is made to mean “one called to aid, advocate, intercessor”. One need not profess to be a Greek scholar to know that the Greek word for “comforter or consoler” is not “Paraclytos” but “Paracalon”.

To read more, kindly go to this article.

 

[planten]

**Comforter The Lord Jesus said would come after him was the The Holy Spirit-The Spirit of Truth.Mohammad Was No spirit.This is what the Lord said about the Comforter or the Helper who was to come after him."But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."John;14;26 **

“And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.” John;14;15-18

 

[ralphinal]

The Fourth Gospel, like every other book of the New Testament, was written in Greek and not in Aramaic, which was the mother-tongue of Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples.

What word or name was it that Jesus (pbuh) used in his native tongue to express that which the Fourth Gospel has translated as “the Paraclete” and which has been converted into “comforter” in all the versions of that Gospel?

The “Paraclete” does not signify either “consoler” or “advocate” or "comforter’; in truth, it is not a classical word at all. The Greek orthography of the word is Paraklytos which in ecclesiastical literature is made to mean “one called to aid, advocate, intercessor”. One need not profess to be a Greek scholar to know that the Greek word for “comforter or consoler” is not “Paraclytos” but “Paracalon”.

To read more, kindly go to this article.

The article is bogus. It has no footnotes, no endnotes, no citations. In fact, he even went so far as to say that he did not have the Septuagent in front of him but he remmember perfectly well what it said.

Please present scholarly articles that can be examined in a scholarly way

 

[chrisse]

**charlotte, you are wrong. Holy spirit was always with Jesus. There was no need for that to come after Jesus. Jesus was the first comforter and he said that god will give the people another comforter. That means another man like Jesus, not any Ghost.

The writers of the bibleNt have purposely changed the words to conceal the truth. Jesus gave the good news of a Comforter who will hear and speak and tell and guide. That cannot be any Ghost**.

If the writers of the New Testament purposely changed the words to conceal the truth, then allah allowed it to happen. Why didn’t allah protect his word to the Christians? Wasn’t allah able to? Or did allah pre-destine this to happen so as to confuse and lead Christians away from allah deliberately? This means allah is a liar and a deceiver, don’t you agree?

As this proves that allah is a liar and a deceiver, how can any muslim trust that the qur’an is also not a lie?

 

[chrisse]

The article is bogus. It has no footnotes, no endnotes, no citations. In fact, he even went so far as to say that he did not have the Septuagent in front of him but he remmember perfectly well what it said.

Please present scholarly articles that can be examined in a scholarly way

The claimed author, from that site :

Biography Of Professor David Benjamin Keldani, B.D. (died 1940c) Former Roman Catholic Bishop of the Uniate Chaldean

Abdu’l-Ahad Dawud is the former Rev. David Abdu Benjamin Keldani, B.D., a Roman Catholic priest of the Uniate-Chaldean sect. He was born in 1867 at Urmia in Persia; educated from his early infancy in that town. From 1886-89 he was on the teaching staff of the Archbishop of Canterbury’s Mission to the Assyrian (Nestorian) Christians at Urmia. In 1892 he was sent by Cardinal Vaughan to Rome, where he underwent a course of philosophical and theological studies at the Propaganda Fide College, and in 1895 was ordained Priest. In 1892 Professor Dawud contributed a series of articles to The Tablet on “Assyria, Rome and Canterbury”; and also to the Irish Record on the “Authenticity of the Pentateuch.” He has several translations of the Ave Maria in different languages, published in the illustrated Catholic Missions. While in Constantinople on his way to Persia in 1895, he contributed a long series of articles in English and French to the daily paper, published there under the name of The Levant Herald, on “Eastern Churches.” In 1895 he joined the French Lazarist Mission at Urmia, and published for the first time in the history of that Mission a periodical in the vernacular Syriac called Qala-La-Shara, i.e. “The Voice of Truth.” In 1897 he was delegated by two Uniate-Chaldean Arch- bishops of Urmia and of Salmas to represent the Eastern Catholics at the Eucharistic Congress held at Paray-le-Monial in France under the presidency of Cardinal Perraud. This was, of course, an official invitation. The paper read at the Congress by “Father Benjamin” was published in the Annals of the Eucharistic Congress, called “Le Pellerin” of that year. In this paper, the Chaldean Arch-Priest (that being his official title) deplored the Catholic system of education among the Nestorians.

 

[jakasaki]

The claimed author, from that site :

Interesting site… So now I know where the muslim members/users get their “information” from not just in this forum, but on others as well.

Also to note, the author of “said” article from the above posts converted to islam in 1904

For several months Mr. Dawud, as he was now called, was employed in Tabriz as Inspector in the Persian Service of Posts and Customs under the Belgian experts. Then he was taken into the service of the Crown Prince Muhammad 'Ali Mirza as teacher and translator.

It was in 1903 that he again visited England and there joined the Unitarian Community. And in 1904 he was sent by the British and Foreign Unitarian Association to carry on an educational and enlightening work among his country people.

On his way to Persia he visited Constantinople; and after several interviews with the Sheikhu 'I-Islam Jemalu 'd-Din Effendi and other Ulemas, he embraced the Holy Religion of Islam, meaning submission to God.

 

[inJESUS]

Why dont Muslims just stop looking for Muhammad in “corrupt” scriptures? did Allah ask you to look for Muhammad in corrupt scriptures? is he leading you by the nose or what exactly?

 

[ralphinal]

That author has no english Wiki page, no record of his existance on any Catholic Site, and I have issues with his biography as posted. according to it, he was ordained at 18, on the staff as a teacher at 19, and so on. I wonder why he is not mentioned in any Catholic work? It also crosses terms with EO, Anglican, and Catholic. Pick a group, folks. Also, this Cardinal Vaughn who sent him to Rome was not a Cardinal at the time he was sent.

However, it does not change the fact that that article is worthless as a piece of scholarly writing. I cannot verify anything on it. There are no sources or documentation.

 

[jakasaki]

That author has no english Wiki page, no record of his existance on any Catholic Site, and I have issues with his biography as posted. according to it, he was ordained at 18, on the staff as a teacher at 19, and so on. I wonder why he is not mentioned in any Catholic work? It also crosses terms with EO, Anglican, and Catholic. Pick a group, folks. Also, this Cardinal Vaughn who sent him to Rome was not a Cardinal at the time he was sent.

However, it does not change the fact that that article is worthless as a piece of scholarly writing. I cannot verify anything on it. There are no sources or documentation.

**Scrutinizing Rumors And Exposing Hoaxes **

Falsely Claimed Conversions:

Hollywood Star Will Smith
Neil Armstrong
Jaques Cousteau
Jacques Cousteau, Michael Jackson & Neil Armstrong (a Muslim knows better)
Maurice Bucaille
King Offa
****Abdu’l-Ahad Dawud (Professor David Benjamin Keldani), a former Catholic Bishop? ****
The Coptic Cardinal Abu Ishaq

answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/keldani.html

 

[rcscwc]

Muslims claim that Moh. is prophecied in HINDU scriptures. Xians too make similar claims about Jesus. Bahais are not far behind. Their Bahaiullah too is claimed to be prphecied.

Hindu scriptures are ultimate touch stone of validity all of them are searching for.

 

[rcscwc]

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda

In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.

Mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 are:

Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.

Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.

The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).

Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

"Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun." The Prophecy confirms:
The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.

Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.

The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28

"We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not."
[Al-Qur’an 34:28]

Muhahad when translated into Sanskrit means self confessed arrogant one. Mohmmad was that.

Mahamad mentioned in the scripture might mean Mohhamad. It means Mega Sex Pervert. He was that too.

 

[Charlotte2008]

**charlotte, you are wrong. Holy spirit was always with Jesus. There was no need for that to come after Jesus. Jesus was the first comforter and he said that god will give the people another comforter. That means another man like Jesus, not any Ghost.

The writers of the bibleNt have purposely changed the words to conceal the truth. Jesus gave the good news of a Comforter who will hear and speak and tell and guide. That cannot be any Ghost**.

No, you are wrong about this.

God says this in the Bible:-

Galatians 1
No Other Gospel
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

Mohammed did exactly that so according to the Bible he is eternally condemned. BTW if the Bible is corrupted why are you still trying to prove mo is in it? Watch this video youtube.com/watch?v=arhNcJqHwxo

 

[jakasaki]

mohamad was not predicted in the Old Testament
mohamad was not predicted in the New Testament
mohamad was not predicted by Confucius
mohamad was not predicted by the Hindus
mohamad was not predicted by space aliens
mohamad was not predicted by no one, no time, anywhere

Perhaps muslims should try to find mohamads “coming” in the Iliad and Odyssey…

Perhaps muslims should try to find mohamads “coming” in the writtings of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle…

How many years are muslims going to search for any historical books to find mohamads “coming”?


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

[ferdie]

mohamad was not predicted in the Old Testament
mohamad was not predicted in the New Testament
mohamad was not predicted by Confucius
mohamad was not predicted by the Hindus
mohamad was not predicted by space aliens
mohamad was not predicted by no one, no time, anywhere

Perhaps muslims should try to find mohamads “coming” in the Iliad and Odyssey…

Perhaps muslims should try to find mohamads “coming” in the writtings of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle…

How many years are muslims going to search for any historical books to find mohamads “coming”?


Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

NT predicted of false prophets coming to lead us away even the elect.