Prophets after Jesus

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My friend, this is the difference between minor Prophets like Isaiah, Daniel, Guru Nanak, and maybe Meher Baba, Ghulam Ahmad etc, and major Prophets like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and Bahaullah.

The minor prophets derive their inspiration FROM the Major Prophets. They are like the moon, as is mentioned in the Bahai Writings. Major Prophets are like the Sun.

Major Prophets derive their inspiration direct from God and it is for this reason that their religions become globally adhered to religions. Minor prophets may well get a following but they often remain localised to regions and cultures.

The Major Prophets inspire millions from all cultures and cause the diverse peoples of the world to see God in their Revelations and live in unity.

Yes, over time disunity develops as seen in Judaism, Christianity and Islam but this has been removed in Baha’u’llahs Religion.

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Boy, you can never stop can you? Even if you say so yourself?

Actually you are right, Bahaullah was a major Prophet, but no Son of God like Jesus.
 
bahaullah did not know that Jesus rose His physical body from the tomb.

bahaullah did not know that Jesus was the Alpha and Omega of the history of mankind.

bahaullah did not know that Jesus Himself ensured His Church would remain faithful to Him.

bahaullah did not know that the Holy Spirit in this world indwells only in the RCC.

bahaullah did not know that the Eucharist is the Real Presence of the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ.

bahaullah did not know that the successor to Peter is infallible when speaking infallibly on topics of faith and morals.

the list goes on and on.
Dear friend,

I am VERY CONFIDENT that Baha’u’llah knew more than anyone about each and every one of the points you raised in this post…

God bless you 🙂

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Dear friend,

I am VERY CONFIDENT that Baha’u’llah knew more than anyone about each and every one of the points you raised in this post…

God bless you 🙂

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What people who don’t accept or comprehend the station of Baha’u’llah is that His knowledge does not come from other people, but is innate, from God directly. He had no need to learn from anyone, scholars, theologians, or whatever.

From the Tablet of Hikmat:

. “Thou knowest full well that We perused not the books which men possess and We acquired not the learning current amongst them, and yet whenever We desire to quote the sayings of the learned and of the wise, presently there will appear before the face of thy Lord in the form of a tablet all that which hath appeared in the world and is revealed in the Holy Books and Scriptures. Thus do We set down in writing that which the eye perceiveth. Verily His knowledge encompasseth the earth and the heavens.”

. “In every land We have set up a luminary of knowledge, and when the time foreordained is at hand, it will shine resplendent above its horizon, as decreed by God, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise. If it be Our Will We are fully capable of describing for thee whatever existeth in every land or hath come to pass therein. Indeed the knowledge of thy Lord pervadeth the heavens and the earth.”
 
Well one could easily respond by saying that there are around 10 million Baha’is today who believe Baha’u’llah is the Father.
Is that a belief that he was God? I have read some quotes of his to this effect, but I hadn’t come across a Baha’i who readily admitted it.

Peace.
 
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Btw, Meher Baba was not followed quite like Baha’u’llah because the life of Baha’u’llah and the Bab are both totally unique in religious history.

Meher Baba, Ghulam Ahmad and the like do not even come remotely close to the wonders of even the Babs life…
‘Wonders’ such as the teaching that the writings of all others be destroyed apart from their own? Or the teaching that if anyone doesn’t stand up out of reverence for ‘the bab’, he/she should be killed?

I do not know about Meher Baba, so I won’t comment on him, but I don’t think you know enough about Ghulam Ahmad a.s. to make such a comparison.

Peace.
 
‘Wonders’ such as the teaching that the writings of all others be destroyed apart from their own? Or the teaching that if anyone doesn’t stand up out of reverence for ‘the bab’, he/she should be killed?
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Where on earth did you read that???

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Is that a belief that he was God? I have read some quotes of his to this effect, but I hadn’t come across a Baha’i who readily admitted it.

Peace.
No Baha’u’llah is not God. He’s pretty clear on that…

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Where on earth did you read that???

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Here are a few quotations from the bayan, the law book written by the bab from prison:

“When you hear the name of the bab mentioned, stand up and show respect. God also enjoins upon you that if anyone displeases and troubles the bab, then you should kill such a person and put an end to his existence.” [Ch. 15 V 6]

"If Babism had the power, they (non-Babis) would all be put to death (by order of Kings) [Ch 15 V 8]

“All books should be destroyed, except those written of our religion.” [Ch 6 V 6]

Peace.
 
No Baha’u’llah is not God. He’s pretty clear on that…

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Then please explain the following quotes:
  1. It is mentioned in the Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics under the title ‘Bab’, that the Bahais called Mirza Alimohammed Bab as "Rabbi-ul-Ala (The Most Elevated Lord) and Bahaullah as "Haqqe Taála (The True God).
  2. ‘Bahaullah’ mentions in Aqdas, page 43, “There is no God but I the Honoured, the Wise”.
  3. He again writes in Aqdas, page 144 “Accept whatever is commanded by Baha (himself) the Lord of Eternity”.
  4. In Aqdas, page 8, “We have sent down all the Messengers and we have revealed all the Books”.
  5. In Istadaaraat, page 34, ‘Bahaullah’ writes, “The Master of Eternity lies in prison”.
  6. In his Tablets, Page 217, ‘Bahaullah’ writes, “All save me are created from my command”.
  7. In his Al-Mubeen, page 34, ‘Bahaullah’ writes “All praise is for you O Bahaullah, the Creator of existence”.
  8. In the same book, page 190, he says, "Obey the commands of your Elevated, Splendorous God, Bahaullah.
  9. Again in Al-Mubeen, page 297, he again refers to himself as, “You Most beneficent Lord, Bahaullah”,
  10. In his Tajalliyaat (Tajalli number 4), page 5, ‘Bahaullah’ decrees, “Most surely I am Allah. There is no God save me. I am the Lord of everything. The O my creatures, you worship me alone”.
  11. Abdul Baha writes in Badaaiul Aasaar, page 139, ‘Bahaullah’ is unique, Incomparable. It is necessary for everyone to turn towards Bahaullah in his prayers. (View the page online)
  12. In Maftoon, page 15, ‘Bahaullah’ writes to his son Abdul Baha, “This is a letter from Allah, the Honoured and the Wise (Bahaullah) to Allah the Gracious, the Aware (Abdul Baha).”
Peace.
 
Then please explain the following quotes:
  1. It is mentioned in the Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics under the title ‘Bab’, that the Bahais called Mirza Alimohammed Bab as "Rabbi-ul-Ala (The Most Elevated Lord) and Bahaullah as "Haqqe Taála (The True God).
  2. ‘Bahaullah’ mentions in Aqdas, page 43, “There is no God but I the Honoured, the Wise”.
  3. He again writes in Aqdas, page 144 “Accept whatever is commanded by Baha (himself) the Lord of Eternity”.
  4. In Aqdas, page 8, “We have sent down all the Messengers and we have revealed all the Books”.
  5. In Istadaaraat, page 34, ‘Bahaullah’ writes, “The Master of Eternity lies in prison”.
  6. In his Tablets, Page 217, ‘Bahaullah’ writes, “All save me are created from my command”.
  7. In his Al-Mubeen, page 34, ‘Bahaullah’ writes “All praise is for you O Bahaullah, the Creator of existence”.
  8. In the same book, page 190, he says, "Obey the commands of your Elevated, Splendorous God, Bahaullah.
  9. Again in Al-Mubeen, page 297, he again refers to himself as, “You Most beneficent Lord, Bahaullah”,
  10. In his Tajalliyaat (Tajalli number 4), page 5, ‘Bahaullah’ decrees, “Most surely I am Allah. There is no God save me. I am the Lord of everything. The O my creatures, you worship me alone”.
  11. Abdul Baha writes in Badaaiul Aasaar, page 139, ‘Bahaullah’ is unique, Incomparable. It is necessary for everyone to turn towards Bahaullah in his prayers.
  12. In Maftoon, page 15, ‘Bahaullah’ writes to his son Abdul Baha, “This is a letter from Allah, the Honoured and the Wise (Bahaullah) to Allah the Gracious, the Aware (Abdul Baha).”
Peace.
 
Here are a few quotations from the bayan, the law book written by the bab from prison:

“When you hear the name of the bab mentioned, stand up and show respect. God also enjoins upon you that if anyone displeases and troubles the bab, then you should kill such a person and put an end to his existence.” [Ch. 15 V 6]

"If Babism had the power, they (non-Babis) would all be put to death (by order of Kings) [Ch 15 V 8]

“All books should be destroyed, except those written of our religion.” [Ch 6 V 6]

Peace.
Can you give me a link to where you found these quotes please?

The vast majority of both parts of the Bayan have not be translated yet.

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IgnatianPhilo;11747144] Christians don’t accept them because they contradict what we have received via Jesus and the Apostles, (principally in denying who Jesus is and what he accomplished on the cross). That isn’t to suggest there hasn’t been a prophet or prophets after Jesus, the Book of Acts mentions many prophets whom were in the ministry of the apostles.
Very true IgnatianPhilo, as is evidenced by the following.
" And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."
Acts 19:6
However, it is as well to bear in mind that “prophesying”, as in foretelling future events, may also be interpreted as, “preaching”, as in preaching the Gospel, as is the intended meaning in the following:-
" And having different gifts, according to the grace that is given us, either prophecy, to be used according to the rule of faith;" Romans 12:6 (D-R)
Protector.
 
Then please explain the following quotes:
  1. It is mentioned in the Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics under the title ‘Bab’, that the Bahais called Mirza Alimohammed Bab as "Rabbi-ul-Ala (The Most Elevated Lord) and Bahaullah as "Haqqe Taála (The True God).


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  1. In Maftoon, page 15, ‘Bahaullah’ writes to his son Abdul Baha, “This is a letter from Allah, the Honoured and the Wise (Bahaullah) to Allah the Gracious, the Aware (Abdul Baha).”
Peace.
Baha’u’llah commands us not to attack others religion beliefs and try to discredit them. As Baha’is we are supposed to honor other religions, and welcome how they inspire charity, the improvement of moral character, and spiritual salvation from selfishness and sin.

This is why I am a Baha’i - because I do not want to go around finding reasons to throw dirt on others faiths and their inspiration by the divine. There is no need to do this - people around the planet from essentially every religion and belief system can be and are inspired by the Holy Spirit to serve the Good.
 
Baha’u’llah commands us not to attack others religion beliefs and try to discredit them. As Baha’is we are supposed to honor other religions, and welcome how they inspire charity, the improvement of moral character, and spiritual salvation from selfishness and sin.

This is why I am a Baha’i - because I do not want to go around finding reasons to throw dirt on others faiths and their inspiration by the divine. There is no need to do this - people around the planet from essentially every religion and belief system can be and are inspired by the Holy Spirit to serve the Good.
My friend, why is it that when Bahai are put under the microscope, they will instantly hold up the persecution card, and thus prohibit any further discussion?
 
Is that a belief that he was God? I have read some quotes of his to this effect, but I hadn’t come across a Baha’i who readily admitted it.

Peace.
Dialogues,
When I think of the Prophets or Manifestations of God, I first think of Them as Divine Instruments fashioned by Him, the Fashioner of all created things. “He doeth what He willeth.”

The stations of the Manifestations of God include the human creature, like ourselves, being born, having to eat, eventually die. When this Holy Personage speaks, it is sometimes the Supplicator speaking to God, but at times, as I understand it, God Himself is speaking through Them, saying “I am God”.

Truly, if any of the Prophets of God are from Him, Their Message is but one Message, and Their purpose but one purpose. Baha’u’llah speaks of this in Gleanings XXII

(and please forgive me if this appears to be too long. I don’t know how to condense it and yet convey the inherent meaning. Thank you)

"The Bearers of the Trust of God are made manifest unto the peoples of the earth as the Exponents of a new Cause and the Revealers of a new Message. Inasmuch as these Birds of the celestial Throne are all sent down from the heaven of the Will of God, and as they all arise to proclaim His irresistible Faith, they, therefore, are regarded as one soul and the same person. For they all drink from the one Cup of the love of God, and all partake of the fruit of the same Tree of Oneness.

These Manifestations of God have each a twofold station. One is the station of pure abstraction and essential unity. In this respect, if thou callest them all by one name, and dost ascribe to them the same attributes, thou hast not erred from the truth. Even as He hath revealed: “No distinction do We make between any of His Messengers.” For they, one and all, summon the people of the earth to acknowledge the unity of God, and herald unto them the Kawthar of an infinite grace and bounty. They are all invested with the robe of prophethood, and are honored with the mantle of glory.

Thus hath Muḥammad, the Point of the Qur’án, revealed: “I am all the Prophets.” Likewise, He saith: “I am the first Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus.” Similar statements have been made by Imám ‘Alí. Sayings such as these, which indicate the essential unity of those Exponents of Oneness, have also emanated from the Channels of God’s immortal utterance, and the Treasuries of the gems of Divine knowledge, and have been recorded in the Scriptures. These Countenances are the recipients of the Divine Command, and the Day Springs of His Revelation.

This Revelation is exalted above the veils of plurality and the exigencies of number. Thus He saith: “Our Cause is but One.” Inasmuch as the Cause is one and the same, the Exponents thereof also must needs be one and the same. Likewise, the Imáms of the Muḥammadan Faith, those lamps of certitude, have said: “Muḥammad is our first, Muḥammad is our last, Muḥammad our all.”

It is clear and evident to thee that all the Prophets are the Temples of the Cause of God, Who have appeared clothed in divers attire. If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold Them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and proclaiming the same Faith. Such is the unity of those Essences of Being, those Luminaries of infinite and immeasurable splendor! Wherefore, should one of these Manifestations of Holiness proclaim saying: “I am the return of all the Prophets,” He, verily, speaketh the truth. In like manner, in every subsequent Revelation, the return of the former Revelation is a fact, the truth of which is firmly established…."

Please comment and continue to “dialogue” … 😉
 
Then why have I been lead to believe that Bahaullah is Bahai for God?
Darryl,

When the phrase: Baha’u’llah is broken down, it means “Glory of God”.
One can set it beside the other phrases depicting Abraham as the “Friend of God”
or Moses as the “Intercolator of God”, or His Lawgiver.
Also, as Jesus is known as the “Son of God”,
or Muhammad as the “Apostle of God”

In each case there is a spiritual connotation depicting each of these Personages as having a special relationship to God, as indicated by Their title by which They are known to us.
 
People trying to understand the bahai religion should give up when you figure out that the bahai can’t even convey their understanding of Bahai religion. Be assured when the bahai says one thing they have no idea what they mean or how to convey it.
 
Darryl,

When the phrase: Baha’u’llah is broken down, it means “Glory of God”.
One can set it beside the other phrases depicting Abraham as the “Friend of God”
or Moses as the “Intercolator of God”, or His Lawgiver.
Also, as Jesus is known as the “Son of God”,
or Muhammad as the “Apostle of God”

In each case there is a spiritual connotation depicting each of these Personages as having a special relationship to God, as indicated by Their title by which They are known to us.
Abraham means father of many, Moses means deliverer.

Jesus means God is Savior. He is also Christ, the Anointed, and Emmanuel, God with us. He is the lion of the tribe of Judah, the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world, King of kings and Lord of Lords the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. The firstborn from the dead. And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, those in heaven and those on earth.

Therefore all us personages have a special relationship to Him, as indicated by His Titles.
 
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