Prophets after Jesus

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How do we know that God intended Jesus to be his final message to humanity before his second coming, but then saw that the devil was purposefully disrupting and corrupting the original teaching, so sent Muhammad to clarify and affirm it?
Dear friend. In your questions you are using standard Muslim arguments against Christianity. That is fine of course, if your purpose is to seek the Truth. But, what kind of Catholic would argue that the Holy Bible has been corrupted by the devil? Perhaps a Muslim Catholic? 😉

God is merciful!
 
Thank you for interpreting the Holy Bible to me, and for sharing your faith. Christ is followed only by the Holy Spirit, the third member of the Holy Trinity. The Holy Spirit is here with us now. There are no other prophets.

There is one truth and it needs to further “revelation”. It has been revealed once and forever.

I understand your words and I don’t share your enthusiasm for your prophet. This will not change.
Thank you dear friend, I do not mind either way what you share or do not share.

I am here to offer a reality perspective.

The reality is I, too have the wondrous Holy Spirit working it’s wonders through my soul and heart. My entire being is exclusively animated by the grace and workings of the Holy Spirit.

This is not Gods exclusive club, nor is it a belief apartheid 🙂

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Ontheway…I think it’s time to mention Obi Wan’s wise adage “who’s more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him”😉

Or more importantly from the CCC: In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word - and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior but also of offending him, by **not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ ** and by living with the desire for some other novelty.
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MJ
Thank you MJ 🙂

Baha’u’llah is the Father. He and the Son are one.

We Baha’is are not engaged in frivolous novelty sharing. We desire to bring the Holy Spirit to animate ALL, and to empower the peoples of the world to “see Christ in all things”. The Kingdom of God will be realised when more and more people are engaged in these works.

If this is the deeds of a deluded novelty, I would like to know why?
 
Thank you MJ 🙂

Baha’u’llah is the Father. He and the Son are one.

We Baha’is are not engaged in frivolous novelty sharing. We desire to bring the Holy Spirit to animate ALL, and to empower the peoples of the world to “see Christ in all things”. The Kingdom of God will be realised when more and more people are engaged in these works.

If this is the deeds of a deluded novelty, I would like to know why?
Gnostic.
 
I think this response lacks maturity, sorry.

I’ve heard it all before, there are those Catholics that can dialogue without resorting to labelling and name calling.

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And yet your words are Gnostic. I had never seen that until your last post. And I just go ooh that explains so much.
 
And yet your words are Gnostic. I had never seen that until your last post. And I just go ooh that explains so much.
What specifically is gnostic about it please?

And how is it not Catholic?
 
I think it’s time to mention Obi Wan’s wise adage “who’s more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him”😉

Or more importantly from the CCC: In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word - and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior but also of offending him, by **not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ ** and by living with the desire for some other novelty.
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MJ
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What specifically is gnostic about it please?
I don’t know much about Baha’i but from what I have read from other Baha’i people on these forums, the ones I have encountered are very kind and polite contrary to what others say to them which is very admirable, but what I don’t understand is how they can reconcile so many contradictions (no offense intended) such as Islam, Jusdaism and Christianity all being true.
And how is it not Catholic?
Because Catholics don’t recognise other faiths as ‘true’ when they conflict and contradict with our own, we believe other faiths may contain ‘truths’ in them, but not the ones they claim that contradict or conflict with ours. We recognise the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church as the true Church founded by Christ.

A classic example of this would be the absolute truth in the real presense of the Holy Eucharist, I doubt Baha’i believes in that, therefore in the embracement of all religions, Baha’i loses the truth and embraces relativism, which cannot by definition be true.

Anyway these are my thoughts on what I have heard/read of Baha’i please let me know if/where I am mistaken.

Also just to keep on topic, I agree with what IgnatianPhilo said 😉
Christians don’t accept them because they contradict what we have received via Jesus and the Apostles, (principally in denying who Jesus is and what he accomplished on the cross). That isn’t to suggest there hasn’t been a prophet or prophets after Jesus, the book of acts mentions many prophets whom were in the ministry of the apostles.
Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Just for clarification: Did Jesus or anyone else ever say there wouldn’t be another prophet AFTER Jesus/the messiah?
There will be prophets after Jesus. Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord,) I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. And upon my servants indeed, and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit, and they shall prophesy.”

rossum
 
There will be prophets after Jesus. Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord,) I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. And upon my servants indeed, and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit, and they shall prophesy.”

rossum
👍 Thanks rossum.
 
Hi Openmind,
God sends different messengers to different regions. The messages are slightly different so as to be appropriate to the culture and state of development (ie education, living conditions etc) of the locals. So it does not always mean that a later messenger supercedes the previous one. Muhammad no doubt was a Prophet who brought a new message to the Arabs, but his message does not supercede the teachings of Jesus, just as Jesus’s teachings do not supercede the teachings of the Buddha (they do complement them).
I agree with much of your post. Most of your message could have been posted by a Muslim, except that a Muslim would believe that the Qur’an superceds the former scriptures, and that it is for all times to come and for all people.

There are some Muslims who believe Krishna a.s. was also a prophet of God, as were Buddha and Zoroaster. Jesus is believed to be a prophet, and some Muslims believe that the second coming of Jesus was to be fulfilled in the person of another prophet, just as the prophecied second coming of Elijah was fulfilled in John the Baptist.

Peace.
 
Hi Openmind,

I agree with much of your post. Most of your message could have been posted by a Muslim, except that a Muslim would believe that the Qur’an superceds the former scriptures, and that it is for all times to come and for all people.

There are some Muslims who believe Krishna a.s. was also a prophet of God, as were Buddha and Zoroaster. Jesus is believed to be a prophet, and some Muslims believe that the second coming of Jesus was to be fulfilled in the person of another prophet, just as the prophecied second coming of Elijah was fulfilled in John the Baptist.

Peace.
I don’t understand this, can you not see the contradictions?

e.g. the divinity of Jesus.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Jesus is believed to be a prophet,
I would like to quote for you a small extract from the book “Life of Christ” by Bishop Fulton J. Sheen (I would recommend this book to everyone, it is quite large, but every page is priceless).

*"A fourth distinguishing fact about Christ is that He does not fit, as the other world teachers do, into the established category of a good man. Good men do not lie. But if Christ was not all that He said He was, namely, the son of the living God, the Word of God in the flesh, then He was not “just a good man”; then He was a knave, a liar, a charlatan and the greatest deciever who ever lived. If He was not what He said He was, the Christ, the son of God, He was the anti-Christ! If He was only a man, then He was not even a “good” man.

But He was not only a man. He would have us either worship Him as true God and true man. That is the alternative He presents. It may very well be that those who reject Christ completely are closer to Him than those who see Him as a sentimentalist and a vague moral reformer. The ones who reject him have at least decided that if He wins, they lose; the others are afraid to consider him as either winning or losing, because they are not prepared to meet the moral demands which this victory would make on their souls."*

C.S. Lewis also had another good one in his book “Mere Christianity”

*"One part of the claim that tends to slip by unnoticed because we have heard it so many times, is Jesus’ claim to forgive sins; any sins. Now unless the speaker is God, this is really so preposterous as to be comical, we can all understand how a man forgives offenses commited against himself (you tread on my toes and I forgive you). But what should we make of a man, himself untrodden on, who announced he forgave you for treading on other men’s toes? Asinine fatuity is teh kindest description we should give of his conduct. Yet this is what Jesus did. He told people that their sins were forgiven, and never waited to consult all the other people whom their sins had undoubtably injured. He unhesitatingly behaved as if He was the praty chiefly concerned, the person chiefly offended in all offenses.

This makes sense only if He really was the God whose laws are broken and whose love is wounded in every sin. In the mouth of any speaker who is not God, these words would imply what I can only regard as a silliness and conceit unrivalled by any other charecter in history.

Yet (and this is the strange, significant thing) even His enemies, when they read the Gospels, do not usually get the impression of silliness and conceit. Still less do unprejudiced readers. Christ says that He is ‘humble and meek’ and we believe Him; not noticing that, if He were merely a man, humility and meekness are the very last charecteristics we could attribute to some of his sayings.

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him; ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is on thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher or prophet. He would either be a lunatic - on a level with the man who say’s he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a mad man or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher or prophet. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to." *

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
There will be prophets after Jesus. Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord,) I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. And upon my servants indeed, and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit, and they shall prophesy.”

rossum
Peter here cites the Prophet Joel from the Old Testament. He uses this quotation to explain the Pentecost and the FINAL DAYS. This will be the time

“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.

Peter continues his speech to the crowd with this:

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
 
Hi Josh,
“… if Christ was not all that He said He was, namely, the son of the living God, the Word of God in the flesh, then He was not “just a good man”… He would have us either worship Him as true God and true man. …”
Son of God is an expression commonly used in the OT, it means a beloved of God. When Jesus was accused of blasphemy, he responded by refuting the Jews from their own scripture. He said that people are referred to as gods [psalms 82:6], even though they are not gods, only because the word of God came to them. His own claim to be ‘son of God’ was lesser than the claim to be ‘god’, so their charge was false. [John 10:30-34]

There is no passage in the gospels where Jesus makes the claim with his own mouth that he is God in the flesh, or where he says ‘I am God’, or ‘worship me’. People speculate so on the basis of some passages, but their interpretations of them can be challenged.
*"One part of the claim that tends to slip by unnoticed because we have heard it so many times, is Jesus’ claim to forgive sins; any sins. … He told people that their sins were forgiven *
If he forgave sins, it would have been because he was informed of it through revelation from God, due to his being a prophet. Otherwise, when he was on the cross, he didn’t say ‘I forgive them’, but he prayed for them to God, saying ‘Father, forgive them’.
Christ says that He is ‘humble and meek’ and we believe Him; not noticing that, if He were merely a man, humility and meekness are the very last charecteristics we could attribute to some of his sayings.
Perhaps it is your interpretation of those sayings which is to be questioned.

Peace.
 
Perhaps it is your interpretation of those sayings which is to be questioned.

Peace.
Indeed.

1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
 
What specifically is gnostic about it please?

And how is it not Catholic?
Please explain if it is Catholic why does it exist?
Obviously if it was Catholic in thought and teaching
YOU would be attending a Catholic Church.
Lol
 
. We recognise the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church as the true Church founded by Christ.

A classic example of this would be the absolute truth in the real presense of the Holy Eucharist
This reminds me of what Pope Francis said recently:

Mass is a time “not just to pray, but to receive Communion — this bread that is the body of Christ that saves us, forgives us, reunites us to the father. It’s beautiful to do this.”

Mass on Sundays is particularly important, he said, because “it is the day of the resurrection of the Lord, and with the Eucharist we feel our own belonging to the church, to the people of God, to the body of God, to Jesus Christ.”

Awesome, Beautiful, Historical True ! :highprayer:

MJ
 
There will be prophets after Jesus. Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord,) **I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. And upon my servants indeed, and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit, and they shall prophesy.”**rossum
The prophets who will and have been prophesy-ing are those who have recieved the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit). Those whom God poured out His Spirit upon are the prophets who proclaim Jesus Christ is Lord and Him crucified.

Muhammad never recieved baptism or the Spirit of God recorded in the book of Acts. Muhammad never believes in the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God because he rejects the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Muhammad is never a prophet of God who poured out His Spirit. One thing is certain, Muhammad nor was there ever any Islamic faithful ever present when God poured out His Spirit at Pentecost which fulfilled the prophecies of God who poured out His Spirit.

If any angel or any apostle = prophet brings a different gospel other than the one Jesus revealed, scripture states, that one is to be accursed.

Reveal a prophet who recieved the Spirit from God, you will find this true prophet proclaiming Jesus is Lord and Jesus Crucified. Muhammad denies the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Peace be with you
 
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